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Intl Media: Downgrading the RoC

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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:51 pm

From Report on Cyprus article wrote: "The offender presents himself as the victim and the guilty as the one who is unjustly treated. In the end, Mr Erdogan believes that everyone is to blame: the United Nations, the EU and Cyprus for a great injustice against Turkey. Any further comment is unnecessary. The one thing left is perhaps to accuse us that, 32 years ago Cyprus invaded against Turkey and continues to occupy Turkish territory. One can expect anything from Turkey, when tolerance breeds audacity and provocation" he said yesterday (December 20th).


Well said, the question is there any media around Europe who would even care publish it? They only repeat like a choir what Blair and Erdogan say. Even the local RIK repeats the bullshit spoken by our enemies, more often than our own replies.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:51 pm

It was an interesting comment.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:05 pm

But it was Turkey that backed a UN brokered plan endorsed by the world to solve the Cyprus issue, why should they be punished for trying to resolve the problem. Surely more effort and pressure should be put on those that opposed and did not come up with any alternative but leverage via the EU to extract maximum demands.

Many GCs thought Turkey would yield on the ports issue but she firmly stood her ground, you cannot force her to do anything as you have all learned the hard way.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:51 pm

mrfromng wrote: Ataturk said "Peace at home peace in the world"


This is just a slogan my friend. Slogans are always meant to be "subtractive" so that everybody understands whatever he likes. Slogans never give answers by themselves. Just look at this:

If Peace at home =true then if home=world then peace in the world=true
If Peace at home =false then if home=world then peace in the world=false
however home < world so both above statements are invalid.

The only way for Ataturks statement to be valid would be if home=world which is invalid by definition. Is it though? Consider this:
"One Turk equals the whole world" :wink:

Here some more slogans coming from GCs this time:
"All refugees back home" (question what if out of 180,000 refugees 179,999 go back and 1 is left out?)
"Turkish troops out of Cyprus" (How about the Greek troops, how about just letting only a symbolic number of 650 Turkish troops stay?)
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:10 pm

Viewpoint wrote: But it was Turkey that backed a UN brokered plan endorsed by the world to solve the Cyprus issue, why should they be punished for trying to resolve the problem. Surely more effort and pressure should be put on those that opposed and did not come up with any alternative but leverage via the EU to extract maximum demands


Because Turkey is still violating ALL UN resolutions, and her own signature at the EU.
Papadopoulos was the one who revived the Anan Plan NOT Turkey, Turkey did not try for anything else than having the Americans excercise unilateral and fully biased arbitration on the Anan Plan. Should Turkey be rewarded on top of it?
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Postby stuballstu » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:34 pm

Piratis wrote
The 1960 constidution was forced upon us. It was presented in a form of "take it or leave it" and "leave it" meant Cyprus would remain a colony. So basically no alternative was given.


Piratis that is a load of nonsense and you know it. The constitution was negotiated between the UK, Turkey, Greece, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. It was accepted by Makarios, with a view to changing it later. It was not forced, it was accepted my Makarios under false pretences.

Please don't bore people with the no alternative bollocks.

By the way, with whom did the British negotiate their own constitution of their own country? Why should we even negotiate with foreigners what we will have on our own country?


Up until 1960 Cypriots didn't have their own country it was always part of someone else's empire. Your right why should you negotiate with foreigners in your own country. If you have an attitude like that then the Cyprus problem will go on for ever.

The ones who are responsible are the ones who take the decisions. Cypriots were never in that position, even thought we have repeatedly asked to be allowed to decide the fate of our island in a democratic way
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You have done a jolly good job up to now. I fear you decided the fate of your island when you voted no in 2004.

Bullshit. RoC has the same support form the same countries, and has the same enemies as it always had. Those that oppressed us for centuries, then forced on us the 1960 agreements, then arranged for the 1974 invasion and continue to preserve the occupation, are the same that have gone in a wild propaganda against RoC today.


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Who supports you apart from Greece?

The Russians dont care, even more so now that you have arrested a Russian citizen for allegedly buying GC property. Cyprus used itself to buy friends by allowing money laundering etc to go on. What happened to Milosevic's money again? EU countries who don't want Turkey in the "club" will use Cyprus as an excuse. Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that they are supporting Cyprus, Cyprus is just providing a reason to keep them out. These countries, with respect, don't really give a shit about Cyprus.

There is no doubt that the ROC has undermined its position with diplomats around the world. By not accepting a UN sponsored peace plan many peoples feeling towards Cyprus, politically, have changed.

When you are small and weak all you can do is just depend on others who are strong enough to help you. So why do you find it strange for us to blame others all the time?


C'mon, another excuse Pyrpolizer. It is an undeniable fact that Cypriots in general blame everyone else. The blame game is an inherent part of Cypriot life. If Cypriots admit fault they think it is a sign of weakness.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:48 pm

Excuse for what stuballstu? The truth is the truth. Even the TCs blame the "big powers". Is it because the Cypriots are a world "phenomenon" or is it because it is the truth? I don't deny the Cypriots are also responsible but the fact is even if the Cypriots do 100% the right thing the Cyprob would still stagnate as it stagnated in 1972 when everything was agreed because of Greeces involvement as it stagnates for 32 years+ because of Turkeys involvment.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:33 pm

stuballstu wrote:Piratis wrote
The 1960 constidution was forced upon us. It was presented in a form of "take it or leave it" and "leave it" meant Cyprus would remain a colony. So basically no alternative was given.


Piratis that is a load of nonsense and you know it. The constitution was negotiated between the UK, Turkey, Greece, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. It was accepted by Makarios, with a view to changing it later. It was not forced, it was accepted my Makarios under false pretences.

Please don't bore people with the no alternative bollocks.



Stubalistu, do you think it is a coincidence that you are a car dealer? Did you think that in your "online life" you could be more successful than your real one?

I never say "nonsense" and "bollocks". When I say something about a historical event it is a fact. I don't know if you have a wild imagination, or the Turkish propaganda is feeding you with the crap you say, but in this forum you are doing nothing more than spreading lies.

We discussed several times this issue, and fortunately (unfortunately for you), bellow you can find that part of history as described by your own BBC. Not that we expect BBC to tell us about the truth and our own history, but apparently for you everything that Greek Cypriots say is "bollocks" and "nonsense" and you accept only what the British and the Turks say (and we know very well why).

So here is the video:
http://rapidshare.com/files/8438709/cyt2.wmv.html
If you want to go directly to the point of our argument start the video from 9 minute and 15 second and watch until the end.

You can also listen on how since 1957 Britain and Turkey were planning about partitioning Cyprus, and how soon after (as a "coincidence") violence broke out between GCs and TCs.

You can deny it as much as you want and you can keep lying to yourself and to others but the facts are clear: The interests of UK/USA and Turkey was for the division of Cyprus and this is how they planed everything to be. What Cypriots can be blamed is that they didn't realize the whole game that was played against us early enough.

But even when we did, we were still not able to stop what was planned.
Makarios knew long before 1974 that Turkey was looking for an excuse to invade, and he did everything he could to stop the coup from happening. However the Americans on one hand were encouraging the Greek Generals of Junta to overthrown the "Red Monk" of the "Mediterranean Cuba" and at the same time they were giving the Green light for Turkey to invade.

These are the facts dear ignorant car dealer. We know that your interests are with the occupation regime and that you had a Turkish propaganda crash course, but this doesn't mean you have any clue about Cyprus history.

So go get a clue, and then come back.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:07 pm

It doesn't download Piratis.
It says:You have reached the download-limit for free-users.

Host it here:http://www.esnips.com/signin/
(you can even give them an imaginary e-mail.Make sure to make your file public after you upload)
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:10 am

Here is another link to download the above video if the one above doesn't work.
http://media3.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=1624

Pyrpolizer, thanks but esnips doesn't accept files over 10MB.
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