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[Bananiot]

Fair enough but can we leave it for tomorrow? Its gone past my bed time ...

[miltiades]

Sleep well my friend and merry xmas to you and your family.

[Piratis]

Bananiot,
You make a lot of sense when you want to but alas you are in the minority in the south. If you were in the majority, I would have had high hopes for a settlement of the Cyprus Problem.
ismet

Sure, since "settlement" for you mean partition, and since Bananiot is ready to sign exactly what you demand, then the Cyprus problem would be closed very fast if all Cypriots were traitors.

Beggars cannot be choosy.

We might be the weak side, but beggars we are not. As a matter of fact in a cold/attrition war the TCs and Turks are those that lose and will continue to lose the most.

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot,
You make a lot of sense when you want to but alas you are in the minority in the south. If you were in the majority, I would have had high hopes for a settlement of the Cyprus Problem.
ismet

Sure, since "settlement" for you mean partition, and since Bananiot is ready to sign exactly what you demand, then the Cyprus problem would be closed very fast if all Cypriots were traitors.

Beggars cannot be choosy.

We might be the weak side, but beggars we are not. As a matter of fact in a cold/attrition war the TCs and Turks are those that lose and will continue to lose the most.

Piratis, were you weened on Turk hating milk as a child? because you come across as bitter and full of venom aimed at us. People who really want a solution and can see further than the end of their noses are not traitors, your are quick to brand them so but have you ever considered that its people like you that may be the traitors for keeping your country divided due to hardliner attitude you display everyday on this forum. You do not have an ounce of compromise in your posts no shades of gray just black, your whole ideology is to get back at us, get even, make them pay for the past, we suffered 1 billions times more so we must be right, which is a very warped way of looking at things. You need to realize we to are humans as well who have the right to be in this land we want to live peacefully and govern ourselves, we do not want to be forced into putting our future in the hands of others, why is this so difficult to understand?

Maybe its time you reviewed why your approach is not yielding any results, as mrfromng said you give a TCs a flower he will give you a garden, you punch a TC and he will kick your head in..that's how we are.

Don't you think giving a flower is better than punching??

[reportfromcyprus]

Issy is going to blame us now that the Turks occupy our country? Whats next?

There is one and only reason why the island is partitioned: It was the dream of TCs and Turks since before the 50 and they have the power to enforce it. The Turks are the ones that WANT partition. They are the ones who illegally enforce partition They are the ones that declare that in Cyprus there are 2 states and not one. So don't tell us crap that the island is partitioned because of GCs.

After 1974 we had every right to demand legality to the 100% and negotiate nothing. However we did negotiate, but this doesn't mean anybody can force us into capitulation via Annan plans etc.

A new constitution is something that both sides should agree. Give us a better constitution than the last, and we will gladly agree to it. Why the hell do you think you can gain on our loss by taking something better for you and much worst for us than the 1960 agreements? If we do not agree for something different, the 1960 agreement remain the only legal thing in Cyprus.

As long as you keep such hostile mentality against us, thinking that you can keep gaining on our loss, there will never be peace.

A new constitution? Fat chance...our leaders can't even agree on coordinating peace talks, let alone a new constitution. What possible chance of consensus exists at this time, Piratis? Where's the common ground?

Don't get me wrong, I really wish for agreements to be reached between the two sides and for a workable solution, but if anything is being done about it, I don't see it.

[reportfromcyprus]

Many Greek Cypriots have been mislead by Christofias and specially by Papadopoulos. Cypriots are very easy to manipulate and their stubborness does not help the situation either. Let me tell a popular joke that illustrates this atributes:

In a plane there was an englishman, a german and a cypriot. Suddenly, the plane started losing altitude and the pilot told his scared passengers that one of the them had to jump out to save the rest. Noone volunteered but the witty pilot asked the englishman to jump for his queen and he gladly did so.

After a while the plane started again a downward spiral and the pilot appealed for another passenger to jump out. Both refused but the witty pilot asked the german to jump for the glory of the fatherland. Off went the german (and the cypriot breethed a huge sigh of relief).

However, the plane soon started its tricks again and this time the pilot appealed to the only remaining passenger. The cypriot muled and refused to hear. The witty pilot asked him to jump for Makarios. The Cypriot refused flatly but the pilot had more aces up his sleeve. Jump for Grivas he told the cypriot. No way, not for this fascist, replied the Cypriot (he was an AKEL or TCP member). Jump for Denktash, the pilot asked. NO, came the answer. The pilot was desperate by now. Jump for the sake of your church man! No, said the cypriot. Okay, said the pilot, suit yourself, do not jump. Oh, its like this then, asked the cypriot. In this case I will jump. Off he went.

If there is a lesson to be learned is that next time the UN brings a solution plan in front of us, it should specifically ask the Greek Cypriots not to vote for it. It will pass, eyes down!

LOL

[reportfromcyprus]

Bananiot,
You make a lot of sense when you want to but alas you are in the minority in the south. If you were in the majority, I would have had high hopes for a settlement of the Cyprus Problem.
ismet

Sure, since "settlement" for you mean partition, and since Bananiot is ready to sign exactly what you demand, then the Cyprus problem would be closed very fast if all Cypriots were traitors.

Beggars cannot be choosy.

We might be the weak side, but beggars we are not. As a matter of fact in a cold/attrition war the TCs and Turks are those that lose and will continue to lose the most.

Define 'traitor'.

And don't forget that in any war, cold or otherwise, it's families that suffer, so you shouldn't be so quick to exult in any prospect of this happening.