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[Issy1956]

You all keep saying that the Annan plan was a biased and that it was lousy and unacceptable. What the hell were your leaders doing when it was being formulated then? Don’t give us all this rubbish. You could afford to reject it knowing you were getting into the EU anyway and then from there to use the EU to extract unfair unilateral concessions from Turkey and the TC's using blackmail and the threat of the EU veto and frankly you don’t give a damn what the effect of the sanctions and the isolation of the TC's has That’s the long and the short of it. The plan itself was the product of long hard bargaining with give and take from both sides and actually would have meant a lot of TC's being displaced yet again to return terrority to the GC's. Unfortunately your strategy has failed and you are driving us to a permanent partition. That is the product of your leaders’ actions and we all have to live with consequences

[MR-from-NG]

Excellent, bloody excellent Issy.

[Piratis]

Issy is going to blame us now that the Turks occupy our country? Whats next?

There is one and only reason why the island is partitioned: It was the dream of TCs and Turks since before the 50 and they have the power to enforce it. The Turks are the ones that WANT partition. They are the ones who illegally enforce partition They are the ones that declare that in Cyprus there are 2 states and not one. So don't tell us crap that the island is partitioned because of GCs.

After 1974 we had every right to demand legality to the 100% and negotiate nothing. However we did negotiate, but this doesn't mean anybody can force us into capitulation via Annan plans etc.

A new constitution is something that both sides should agree. Give us a better constitution than the last, and we will gladly agree to it. Why the hell do you think you can gain on our loss by taking something better for you and much worst for us than the 1960 agreements? If we do not agree for something different, the 1960 agreement remain the only legal thing in Cyprus.

As long as you keep such hostile mentality against us, thinking that you can keep gaining on our loss, there will never be peace.

[Bananiot]

Well eracles, Cyprus has endorsed the UN resolution that commended Turkey for its positive stand and called upon her to continue her endeavours for a solution to the Cyprus problem. Papadopoulos signed the document in December 2004 and the document has been reiterated twice more since then. Thus you can see that the UN holds us responsible for the stalemate and has cleared and deguildified Turkey. Our glorious leaders is absolutely clueless, unless these are ythe tactics he is employing to achieve partition, which is the second best solution, as he explained in Helsinki in 2004.

[growuptcs]

Bringing up the A-plan again guys. Still want to talk about that particular plan that legalized division, at the expense of GC's without even considering that all the violations are against Turkey in N.Cyprus. I'd rather enjoy my day instead of sitting here negotiating Cyprus with Saddam minded people like yourselves.

[Issy1956]

Piratis,
Its also my country not just yours and your compatriots lack of accepting this very point has lead us to be here and yes I do blame you (the GC side not you personally) for the position that we are in. The basic truth that you ignore is that Enosis came first and that partition followed in its wake. No Enosis No Taksim and your refusal to accept this in the 1960 consitution and the events of 1963-1974 issued the invitation and ushered the Turkish army in. Nobody's fault but your own. Dont give me that rubbish about the 18 % TC minority planned the breakdown of the 1960 agrement retreated into their enclaves in order to attack the GC 82 %majority and thus achieve Taksim-honestly I have heard more plausible fairytales than some of the rubbish spouted by the GC's on this forum.
Yes I freely accept there are and were TC extremists like Dentash who would accept nothing less than partition but without your stupid actions empowering them the vast majority of the TC's would have happily lived together with their GC neighbours in peace.
You talk about hostile minded people but look no further than your own beloved Tpap and note that the last thing he wants is another peace plan because he might be forced to compromise. You guys make me laugh but the sad thing is that your unwillingness to share anything has divided our country.

[Bananiot]

Absolutely Issy, I agree with you 100%. The real culprits for our predicament were the warlords of the early 60's, funded by the Cyprus State and those that forever reason believed in them. Stupidity is no excuse. Had it not been for them, Cyprus would have been today a real paradise for all its people. Denktash simply exploited their actions. I think they are more pro Denktash than the Gray Wolves, practically.

[Viewpoint]

Issy brilliant post direct and to the point well done.

[Bananiot]

Do you agree on the Denktash point too? The question applies to you Mrfromng too.

[MR-from-NG]

Yes, I congratulate Issy too. Well done.