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[MicAtCyp]

I was talking about to parties that have been actively 'negotiating' a settlement / agreement and failing (in our case since 1960)

Do you consider Denktash as one of those 2 parties? The only period we are actually discussing (?) for a solution is one year (wasn’t it last Christmas that Talat got the power?). And within that time the momentum created is enourmous......

About the matter of arbitration. I DO NOT accept arbitration coming from SINGLE or few individuals. I however am ready to accept arbitration of collective bodies within the EU or the UN or both. In which both sides will be free to explain their positions and let the members of the body vote for each and every issue separately. The Cyprus problem is only 10 issues!!!

I propose the same thing instead of "using foreign judges" after a solution.

Anyway in my opinion this is what is going to happen from March 2005-October 2005, and we will have a solution!

[brother]

You sound very certain of that, is there something the rest of us do not know.

[Bananiot]

I insist, there is no solution with Papadopoulos at the helm. This man is a known entity. What has he done in his long political career, what hints has he given that he is ready to look for a solution that is based on the philosophy of the A plan? I feel I am stating the obvious but its surprising how many people are looking forward to be taken for a ride. You have more chance to convince a turkey to shout "long live xmas" than Papadopoulos to seek a solution based on the A plan.

[boulio]

I insist, there is no solution with Papadopoulos at the helm. This man is a known entity. What has he done in his long political career, what hints has he given that he is ready to look for a solution that is based on the philosophy of the A plan? I feel I am stating the obvious but its surprising how many people are looking forward to be taken for a ride. You have more chance to convince a turkey to shout "long live xmas" than Papadopoulos to seek a solution based on the A plan.

WHY NOT?


because he is concerned with the security of his community?
because he is concerned with the implemitation of the plan?
because he is concerned with the cost and who will pay for the cost of the plan?
because he is concerned the "United Republic"will be a procteterite of turkey?

[-mikkie2-]

All those wishing to foulmouth Papadopoulos have been WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Everyone has been predicting doom and gloom for Cyprus. This has NOT happened.

I bet if there is a solution this year, that is negotiated and accepted you will be hailing him as a hero.

With all due respect to everyone here, we just do not know what goes on behind the scenes, but one thing is for sure, that so far Cyprus has done pretty well to cancel out much of the negative feeling after the referenda. It is not in the interests of anyone to isolate Cyprus and to force a solution that is not accepted by the wider community.

I tend to agree with MicAtCyp that we will most probably have a solution by the end of next year.

[erolz]

I propose the same thing instead of "using foreign judges" after a solution.

Sure because we all know what happened the last time GC AGREED to having a foreign judge as head of the RoC supreme court! Oh you do realise your 'constituion' still stipulates such a foreign judge don't you?

[Alexandros Lordos]

Anyway in my opinion this is what is going to happen from March 2005-October 2005, and we will have a solution!

MicAtCyp, you sound uncharacteristically optimistic, only a couple of weeks ago I remember you saying that you do not see further negotiations leading anywhere ...

Do you think something has changed now in the "international scene"? I would certainly be very curious to hear the reasoning behind your optimism ...

[boulio]

i sincerly think a plan will be done maybe not this year but by 2006,it has to for christ sake its the last divided capital of europe.

[Bananiot]

Wishful thinking will not bring an end to the last divided city or country come to that. The political will is needed first and Papadopoulos does not possess it. He has rejected plans that were miles better than the A plan. Anyway, I am only making a prediction and I seem to remember someone predicting war if a solution was not found by December 17. Mikkie, the scale of our isolation is unprecedented and I am really surprised that you cannot see this. We are the black sheep in Europe and only recently Chirac swore at Papadopoulos when the latter hinted that he had 64 opportunities to veto the efforts of Turkey. Nobody wants to talk to Papadopoulos and he is much discredited in the international scene. The other day the Dutch Foreign Minister claimed that it was a huge mistake to allow Cyprus in the EU with its problem unsolved. There is a chance for a solution but only if Papadopoulos agrees and specifically pinpoints the changes (which must be kept to a minimum) to the plan he wishes which will not alter the philosophy of the plan and of course can be accepted by the other side. Does anyone seriously see Papadopoulos doing this? Or, does anyone see those that can solve the issue accepting another plan or line of action?

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

I agree that after the referenda Cyprus was isolated.

Now it is not. Cyprus has successfully manouvered around most of the obstacles placed before it.

I seem to remember that after the EU summit, Erdogan was labeled as a carpet salesman. Nobody clapped after his speech, apart from Jack Straw, when he said he was pleased that he didn't have to recognise Cyprus. He left a bitter taste in the mouth of many EU leaders. They are perhaps realising what it means to 'negotiate' with the Turks.

The EU I think realised that isolating Cyprus does not serve anybodys interests. They have to work with Cyprus to solve the problem. They have now inheritted the problem and they have to work constructively in order to bring about a solution.