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[insan]

Here's my political structure model:


1- Two legislative councils for each community, one at constituent state level and one at federal state level.

a- Supposing that only a several thousands TCs would prefer to live in GC constituent state; the legislative council of GC constituent state should be composed of vast majorly GCs.

b- Supposing that GCs living in TC constituent state cannot be exceeded 1/5 of the total population of TCs of TC constituent state; the legislative council of TC constituent state should be composed of equal number og GCs and TCs which are residents of TC constituent state and should be elected by their own communities or mixed vote.(Debateable)

c- The legislative council of federal state should be composed of equal number of GCs and TCs and either elected by their own communities or mixed vote.(Debateable)



2- Two house of representatives for each community, one at state level and one at federal state level.

The structure should be same as above mentioned.




3- Presidency and governership should be based on 1 term GC, one term TC and they should be elected by mixed vote of two communities.

a- The governer of GC constituent state will be a resident of GC constituent state and will be lected by the reisdents of GC constituent state.

b- The governor of TC constituent state should be a TC for one term and a GC for the next term. The governors of TC constituent state should be lected by mixed vote of the residents of TC constituent state.



4- 1GC/5TC balance in TC constituent state should be kept with restrictions on buy property and right to settlement, until 2/3 of TCs has lifted the restrictions with a referandum which will be made after a certain time period.

[Piratis]

The issue of political equality is one that applies to COMMUNITES - as individulas we are all equal (as we should be as communites). If you chose to live in the TC federal state in a federal Cyprus you might be a 'minority' within that state as an indivdual but your community would still have equality. Is this really so hard to understand?

Erolz, if you have political equality between communities then you directly have political inequality between people. PERIOD.

Say I tell you that in a referendum of united Cyprus 100.000 Cypriots voted against and 700.000 Cypriots in favor. Whats the result of the referendum? If all Cypriots are equal, then you should be able to give an answer without asking any further questions.

No the GC mask falls when it is clear that they would not even start negotiations on such a soloution to agree an amount of land to be keep by the TRNC

So you want to negotiate the amount? Do you maybe suggest that the 18% of TCs should keep more than 18% of the ground?
Why can't you say clearly that you accept 18% and no more? ah? Maybe it has to do something with the Turkish tanks behind you?
If you accept the 18%, then we agreed. I don't know what others think, but for me this seems to be the best solution possible under the circumstances. (but the amount is not negotiable. 18% and thats it. I don't think you will have any arguments against that, right?)

[Bananiot]

Political equality of the two communitities is a must if we want to solve the Cyprus issue. There is no other way. An agreed solution can only be reached if it entails political equality of the communities. This much can be derived too, from the discussions in this forum between TC and GC members. Past experience has taught the TC's that nothing short of this kind of equality will do. I, as a GC, has come to this conclusion a long time ago and even I have found this difficult to digest in the begining but it is an absolute must if we are to solve our problem and live in peace ever after. It is a small price to pay for the average person in the street, but a huge one if you are a greedy member of the government of the RoC. They stand to lose many of their "prerogatives" and this is the main reason why they invest their objections with much patriotism in order to sell their rejectionism to the unsuspecting masses. I have to admit, so far they have done this pretty well but there is a glimse of hope that their game will be revealed eventually, when all their promises about a "european solution" evaporate into thin air.

[erolz]

Erolz, if you have political equality between communities then you directly have political inequality between people. PERIOD.

Say I tell you that in a referendum of united Cyprus 100.000 Cypriots voted against and 700.000 Cypriots in favor. Whats the result of the referendum? If all Cypriots are equal, then you should be able to give an answer without asking any further questions.

How many times

If the referendum was on issues like, should Cyprus untied with Greece, or should TC be expelled from Cyprus, or should investment from non EU countries be stopped, or should Greek be the sole language of Cyprus etc etc etc (ie on issues where the will of the GC is to disadvantage the TC community) then the result should be down to two seperate refernda in each community and with both requiring consent for the motion to be passed. On other issues the 700,000 should carry the motion.

So you want to negotiate the amount? Do you maybe suggest that the 18% of TCs should keep more than 18% of the ground?
Why can't you say clearly that you accept 18% and no more? ah? Maybe it has to do something with the Turkish tanks behind you?
If you accept the 18%, then we agreed. I don't know what others think, but for me this seems to be the best solution possible under the circumstances. (but the amount is not negotiable. 18% and thats it. I don't think you will have any arguments against that, right?)

Say I accept that 18% is fair (and I have done no research on this to have formed an opinion either way - but lets say I just accept your figure, because you must be right) what then? Absoultley nothing because you KNOW papadopolus would not only not accept 18% he would not even be prepared to accept such a basis for a settlement. So go ahead and offer things that you KNOW have NEVER been accpetable to GC leadership (and you continue to avoid the question why) and remain unacceptable to them. What's the point? You may as well ask would I accept 10 million sterling for every TC in Cyprus to just leave - it's apointless question because such an offer will never happen. Still if it makes you happy?

[Piratis]

If the referendum was on issues like

And WHO will decide what these issues are??

you KNOW papadopolus would not only not accept 18%

Papadopoulos is here today, tomorrow gone. To answer your question:
The reasons that this is not proposed by RoC is:

1) The RoC itself doesn't want to take a decision that will violate the human rights of some people.

2) It is something unfair (but apparently much more fair that the other "alternatives"

3) Such move by RoC will mean that RoC accepts a second state to be formed on the island. If RoC accepts such thing, then Turkey might not give away any ground. The difference is that now instead of having a country occupying a part of another country, we will have territorial disputes between two countries.

[brother]

So basicly what you saying is that whatever happens the ROC will always win.

As it seems you have thought of everything.

[erolz]

And WHO will decide what these issues are??

The distincition seems quite clear to me. Decisions that affect the two communites in a materialy different way should be subject to consent from both. Those that do not should not. However if you think such a principal is too open to argument or abuse then you would have to accept some form of arbitration if their was disagreement. However it would seem that such arbitration (by independent entities) is only acceptable to you if the arbitrators agree with you. If they disagree it's not arbitration, but a sinsiseter plot against GC - orgainsed by the USA, the UN the UK the EU or however, so maybe idependent arbitration is not a answer?

Papadopoulos is here today, tomorrow gone.

True but we may all end up living with the legacy of his actions.

[Piratis]

The distinction seems quite clear to me.

It is clear to me also. So who is going to take the decisions me or you?

Those that do not should not. However if you think such a principal is too open to argument or abuse then you would have to accept some form of arbitration if their was disagreement.

So for our country some foreigners are going to decide? Do you know any other examples of countries that function like this? Or we are going to be the best Banana Republic ever created?

[brother]

BANANA REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS has a ring to it.

[Bananiot]

Foreign troops are still stationed in Germany, 60 years after the end of the 2nd world war. Remember what I told you Piratis. There is a price to be paid for every stupid action. When we were destroying the constitution in 1963 we were cheering on top, just like in April. Do you know Nasredin's Hotca story, when a thief was seen trying to open a door and the son asked Nasredin, what is he doing? Playing the violin, said Nasredin. I do not hear it, said the child. You will hear it tomorrow, replied the wise Hotca.