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[Sotos]

From what I know TCs can trade freely from the ports of Limassol and Larnaca. There is no embargo against TCs. The embargo is against the "TRNC" and rightly so. The TCs dodn't want to just trade as they can already do that. When they talk about end of embargo they mean upgrade of the illegal state in the north. Anybody disagrees with this?

[Piratis]

You are wrong on one point.

There is no embargo at all since you can not place an embargo on a state that does not exist.

After the invasion, Republic of Cyprus lost control of the north part of the country which remains under illegal Turkish occupation. Since Republic of Cyprus is not able to control the ports and airports in the now occupied areas, it has not assigned them as legal ports for trade.

Therefore all Cypriots (TCs and GCs) are forced to use the remaining of the ports and airports, until the occupation of Cyprus is over.

As you correctly said TCs can freely trade with the free ports and RoC is willing to listen to them and make it even easier for them. Sure it might be less convenient, but loss of "convenience" is one of the smallest consequences of the Turkish occupation when you compare it with the gross human rights violations that causes to 100s of thousands of other Cypriots.

This issue is part of Cyprus problem, and it will be solved when the Cyprus problem will be solved. The Turks and TCs are trying to turn the Cyprus problem into a GC problem only, but they should remember that insistence on illegalities brings consequences.

Therefore the best way to end the so called "embargo" is to end all the illegalities against every Cypriot, so we can all enjoy our rights again as we should.

[Viewpoint]

The TC exporters would have used the ports in the GC south when the green line regulations came about but the the levels of trade going across is comical and the risk is to high. There is also GC intransigence to buy anything produced in the north for fear of retribution, this has also been evident to the Americans who are trying to encourage trade between the north and south via the Edge program.

The potatoes shipment is a prime example, only last week the head of the TC Chamber of Commerce gave details of how truck loads of potatoes were examined by EU experts especially flown in to ensure smooth transit, only to find that GC authorities delayed this produce at the border for 5 days creating unnecessary problems thus allowing the produce to go bad. These are the tactics our exporters are up against and they will not risk attempting shipment to and through the south, exposing themselves to the demeaning and bigoted treatment of GC officials who have been given the order to cause as many problems as possible to deter any trade form the north so as to restrict economical growth. The only positive outcome of such Gc antics which we TCs are used to from the 1960s is that EU officials are on hand to document for themselves what trade through the GC south really means.

[Pyrpolizer]

The TC exporters would have used the ports in the GC south when the green line regulations came about but the the levels of trade going across is comical and the risk is to high

Do you have any figures to backup your claim?

The FACT is nobody can wake up that easily an economy when it was almost DEAD due to competition from mainland Turkish products. However this almost DEAD economy showed remarkable rising up benefiting from the Green line regalation.

August 2004 only 3,873 Euros, Sept 2004 59,821,Oct 2004 75,093 Euros, Nov 2004 148,192 Euros and so on. And these figures are before the allowing of trucks to cross.

NB.1)Although my figures are only for the first year, and might propably not give an exact prediction, I did extrapolate to see how much they would be today. Result:HALF A BILLION per month.
2)I will try to upload the figures and graphs later today

[Viewpoint]

The TC exporters would have used the ports in the GC south when the green line regulations came about but the the levels of trade going across is comical and the risk is to high

Do you have any figures to backup your claim?

The FACT is nobody can wake up that easily an economy when it was almost DEAD due to competition from mainland Turkish products. However this almost DEAD economy showed remarkable rising up benefiting from the Green line regalation.

August 2004 only 3,873 Euros, Sept 2004 59,821,Oct 2004 75,093 Euros, Nov 2004 148,192 Euros and so on. And these figures are before the allowing of trucks to cross.

NB.1)Although my figures are only for the first year, and might propably not give an exact prediction, I did extrapolate to see how much they would be today. Result:HALF A BILLION per month.
2)I will try to upload the figures and graphs later today

Apply to the TCCC via the following link;

http://www.ktto.net/english/about.html


Half a billion what a month?? how did you make that figure up?

[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.esnips.com/doc/25408421-c3ca-4a6a-af22-8e37e1b8909e

[Pyrpolizer]

Click the above link and then click "Original Size". The figures from the first year do not seem zero to me. And the trendline is clearly upwards. Look how Microsofts Excel extrapolated the figures to todays date.

[Viewpoint]

Averages out at 65.000 Cyp per month comical.

[Pyrpolizer]

You don't look at the average when the figures start from practically zero comical.

You look at the trend, and the trend WAS CLEARLY UPWARD, and as you can see by extrapolation it almost reaches 500,000 Euros per month at todays date.

Btw you have not showed us any figures from your TCCC. Why don't they show them at their web page, what are they afraid of?

[Viewpoint]

If you want independent information refer to the world bank report which makes very interesting reading, it covers the advantages and disadvantages of doing trade over the green line for TCs. The fact that your figures reveal that trade has a comical 157000 euro (91000 cyp) in Apr 2005 does not register on the trade Richter scale and you estimate it at 500.000 euro(290.000 cyp) a month does not make it billions each year? I think you have your millions and billions mixed up. What I am trying to get across is that trade is supressed by the GC administration, the minimum is allowed to pass being symbolic and a smoke screen for the EU to show that some trade can and does pass through the south, this is to ensure we are kept economically hostage and thus wanting or even begging (in your dreams) for a solution.