Cyprus-Forum.com

[skipper]

And here's another one:
Boy o boy this second report is a treasure. The mother of the Devils called RoC tried so much to help the TCs regarding the VAT issues that the EU committee herself turned them down as being illegal/too much away from the Aquis. The RoC itself wanted to violate the Aquis just to help the TCs, and all we hear in this forum is the crying and the screaming of Vepo against RoC and the devilish GCs....

VAT issues
The Republic of Cyprus renewed its request to the Commission to propose amendments to the
Green Line Regulation and/or the 6th VAT Directive in order to simplify certain VAT
provisions concerning the trade across the Green Line. The proposals included a request to
apply a reverse charge mechanism for supplies made by taxable persons established in the
areas13 to taxable persons in the government-controlled areas, a request to apply simplified
procedures for the collection of tax on goods supplied by taxable persons established in the
areas when these are supplied in the government-controlled areas to non-taxable persons, a
request to allow for supplies made to the areas to be treated as export transactions (amending
Article 5 of the Green Line Regulation) and the request to allow for simplified procedures
when goods are crossing the line with a view to be transferred to other Member States. The
Commission has seriously examined these proposals and communicated to the Republic of
Cyprus extensively why the majority of the proposals would have deviated too much from the
acquis to be taken up by the Commission, even though some of them may be attractive from
the point of view of simplification.

I find it a bit disingenuous that you forgot to include the example just underneath that paragraph:

One example can be given for illustration: The Republic of Cyprus requested that supplies
made to the areas be treated as export transactions (amending Article 5 of the Green Line
Regulation). This proposed measure is not consistent with the provisions and the philosophy
of the Green Line Regulation where it is assumed (upon request from the Republic of Cyprus)
that no importation takes place when goods arrive from the areas. Consequently, the reverse
transaction cannot be treated as exportation. In other words: zero-rating supplies made from
the Government-controlled areas to the areas could only be justified if these were to be treated
as exports. This is the case irrespective of whether these supplies are called exports. If goods
leaving for the areas are treated as exports, goods coming from the areas must equally be
treated as imports. Only under those circumstances would the proposed change be acceptable.

The VAT problem is a problem because of the way the GC's wanted the green line regulation to work and cannot be solved because of that simple fact. The only way the VAT problem can be solved is via the direct trade regulation (there's a copy on the net) thats why the GC's tried to get it fixed in the green line regulation, to kill the need for the direct trade one.

[skipper]

Ha,ha,ha. And this is from the second report. Devilish Greek Cypriots they all put obstacles
But wait a minute were they really the GCs who cancelled the Exports of the poor TC?????
Read and learn:

On 31 March 2006 a consignment of 22 tons of citrus fruits which were to be shipped after
crossing the Green Line through the port of Limassol (situated in the government-controlled
areas) to an EU Member State was to cross the line. However on 29 March the supplier
cancelled the transaction after protests of dockers and truck drivers were organised in
Famagusta port and at the check point where the consignment should have been cleared. The
trader complained about various forms of pressure from within the Turkish Cypriot
community that were exerted on him to cancel the transaction.

Are you seriously telling me that there are not elements of the GC community that did not protest about trading with the TC's? I dont find it surprising at all that people who feel that their jobs are at risk would take direct action, infact the GC's seem to be experts at it from the protests I've read about.

[Pyrpolizer]

I find it a bit disingenuous that you forgot to include the example just underneath that paragraph:

I also find it disingenuous that you don’t mention the fact that what RoC was trying to do was simply to rate those products at zero VAT. There is absolutely no precedence in the EU of such an irregularity as in Cyprus where the State itself is expected to find legal ways to make trade through an illegal entity possible. The Eu itself could not even find legal ways herself. It’s easy to ask someone to square the circle and then reject his proposals…The so called direct trade proposal (not regulation) would actually be illegal right from the start.

Are you seriously telling me that there are not elements of the GC community that did not protest about trading with the TC's? I dont find it surprising at all that people who feel that their jobs are at risk would take direct action, infact the GC's seem to be experts at it from the protests I've read about.

I only quote what the report says. I hope you understand the difference between having pressure groups, and letting the pressure groups take the law in their hands and threaten the traders directly. Here’s what the report says:

Pressure groups on both sides of the Green Line are active to prevent the development of trade across the line for various reasons. A new negative feature is direct pressure on traders from within the Turkish Cypriot community.

You have to notice that the report does not care to analyse the situation in an Economist style fashion. It doesn’t analyse why all products actually end up for consumption in the RoC controlled areas. If there is currently an effective trade of about 200,000 Euros a month with the RoC controlled areas whereas only half that volume from the GCs to the TCs this means (imo) that the TC products could compete effectively in Europe. The report doesn’t analyse why this does not happen through the Green line, it does not even report whether it actually happens through Famagusta port or through Turkey. It does not even care to mention explicitly the clearly upward trend. No economist could have ever missed that… It simply ends up confirming that -- >

The overall conclusion is that the Green Line Regulation continues to provide a workable basis for allowing the passage of goods and people to and from the government-controlled areas of the Republic of Cyprus although the flow of goods remains limited. The Commission will continue to monitor the implementation of the regulation.

I dont find it surprising at all that people who feel that their jobs are at risk would take direct action, infact the GC's seem to be experts at it from the protests I've read about.

The report actually says that it is the TCs who are experts in taking direct action against the traders .

[Pyrpolizer]

May I also point out that the report does not investigate whether TC products crossing the Green line do in fact end up for consumption by the GCs, or whether they in the end, are exported by GC traders....

[Viewpoint]

Do the Cazinos do money laundry in Monaco as well?

Anyway I only helped you with your report why are you getting so defensive?

All you have to do is just show me one report that says the Offshore Banks in the RoC are doing money laundry.
Obviously you don't know the procedures, and you don't know that there is no way anywhere in the World for Banks to do or even facilitate money laundrying.

Man you are so naive, you look but you don't see, listen but you don't hear, you read but you do not understand, you should not bury your head in the sand when things do not suit you...

http://russianlaw.org/cyprus_laundering ... ilemma.htm

read also the numerous articles in red, makes interesting reading and eye opener for you about your lilly white "European" Greek Cypriot "RoC"

Conveniently overlooked Pyro?

[Pyrpolizer]

Vepo are you trying to divert the discussion?

[Viewpoint]

Vepo are you trying to divert the discussion?

You said provide 1 article about the money laundering in the south I did and now you avoid it, Pyro your are a GC to the core

[andri_cy]

You guys are fighting like an old couple

[Viewpoint]

You guys are fighting like an old couple

Glass Houses andri Glass Houses

[andri_cy]