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[Pyrpolizer]

The fact is I do have the figures concerning the value of goods that were not allowed to pass. So what you say that "the RoC allows the minimum to pass" is just one of your usual lies.

I have nothing to hide and I will load the figures as soon as I search my library
From memory they are not more than 10%, and for each case there is a very valid reason. I remember seeing something for pitta bread which was presented in bulk.Bread in bulk is not accepted in Europe. It has to be packed..

The figures might not be something that would make you all rich but they have to be considered in the context of
a)How much were the TCs exporting before? Near zero?
b)What are their capabilities?
c)can they produce products that can be exported in Europe at competitive prices? (The GCs have very limited exports too)
d)If they have such products at competitive prices did they go to Europe to find clents?
e)are they willing to abide to the rules of the legal state that represents them in the EU regarding taxes and VAT or not.?

Now you may scream and shout as much as you like, the fact is you will never be allowed to trade in a way that gives your pseudo a legal status.
If this makes you feel like you don't want to do any exports, then don't do.

[Viewpoint]

Your figures will be interesting and I look forward to reading them as long as they are from an independent source then we can take them into account. Don't forget to deter exporters from sending goods via the south or indeed selling to the south it only takes a few cases of loss to ensure others do not follow suit and take the same risks, this in in itself is a deterrent.

Let me remind you that to send goods via the south you have to obtain a TCCC certificate who adhere to all EU rules.

I think you would do well to read the world banks reports as it would be an eye opener for someone like you, the cost of selling via the south is another very big deterrent, add to that the bureaucracy and risk, i'm surprised anyone even bothers.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are all nasty blah, blah with no figures and no evidence. You talk about risk and you don't even show us one case validating this risk. You talk about the TCCC (which btw only issues certificates of origin not certificates of appropriateness) without even showing us written evidence for which reasons some products were rejected, and whose fault was it.
You talk vaguely about the world bank without even bothering to even copy paste what the world bank said.
With all these how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

My figures will follow, as I don't like to talk nonsense.

[skipper]

According to the last green line regulation report of 25/9/2006 (http://www.delcyp.cec.eu.int/en/news/tcmeasures/greenline.pdf) the total value of goods entering the south (as reported by the GC's) from may 2005 to may 2006 was 1,734,770 Euros. The average monthly trade is around 160,000 Euros a month although the truer average is more like 130,000 since the data is skewed by two months feburary and march where trade was 203,000 and 226,000 euros respectivly. There has only been one instance of goods exported from a GC port (Turkish Delights). Anyway, its all in the report for those who can be bothered to read it.

[Viewpoint]

You are all nasty blah, blah with no figures and no evidence. You talk about risk and you don't even show us one case validating this risk. You talk about the TCCC (which btw only issues certificates of origin not certificates of appropriateness) without even showing us written evidence for which reasons some products were rejected, and whose fault was it.
You talk vaguely about the world bank without even bothering to even copy paste what the world bank said.
With all these how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

My figures will follow, as I don't like to talk nonsense.

Pyro you obviously don't realize it but you cannot have a discussion without insulting the other person, I can do the same even worse, is it OK for me to do this?

I do not have on tap official TRNC documents to post on the Internet, I have given you independent sources to go research yourself, the World Bank report,(all I have is hard copy so I cannot paste it). and the American Edge program. Will your figures be from an independent source and how can we double check as I to can pluck figures out of thin air and post them that's easy.

The art of causing TCs producers problems and throwing obstacles in their way was perfected in the 1960s to keep TCs in isolation it appears that even in 2006 nothing much has changed.

[Pyrpolizer]

Here I just searched my files. It is the first report of the EU. It does not give any actual data regarding how many goods were rejected, but it does mention that the RoC rejected some products exceptionally! This proves you were once again lieing when saying

What I am trying to get across is that trade is supressed by the GC administration, the minimum is allowed to pass being symbolic and a smoke screen for the EU to show that some trade can and does pass through

The authorities of the Republic of Cyprus refused the crossing of goods exceptionally (e.g. movement of animal products such as halloumi cheese and fresh fish; pita bread because of non-compliance with labelling and packaging requirements).

The question you should ask yourself is who might be interested to have the Green Line regulation failing, the RoC or the pseudo? It is common sense, let’s see if you have it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Vepo,

I already told you to stop distorting my nick. Otherwise I will attach you this one.

As you can see my data is from the first EU report.

Your turn to show me where exactly the RoC puts obstacles. If these are your capabilities for exports then so be it, time to digest it.

If they are not however, and the reason cannot be attributed to RoC then you should check for your problems elsewhere, like for example that you live in an illegal state. So stop having complexes against the GCs, as we really don't care nor do we want to harm your exports. You are not even our competitors.

[Viewpoint]

Touched a raw nerve me feels, see things how you wish you always do thats a common Gc trait happened back in the 1960s you just continue the same mentality today, the truth will out in the end. The potatoe fiasco was documented by the EU, so as these barriers and subsequent problems increase we will see who is right and who is wrong.

Maybe you should be asking Who will benefit from the green regulations working?

[Pyrpolizer]

Ha,ha,ha. And this is from the second report. Devilish Greek Cypriots they all put obstacles
But wait a minute were they really the GCs who cancelled the Exports of the poor TC?????
Read and learn:

On 31 March 2006 a consignment of 22 tons of citrus fruits which were to be shipped after
crossing the Green Line through the port of Limassol (situated in the government-controlled
areas) to an EU Member State was to cross the line. However on 29 March the supplier
cancelled the transaction after protests of dockers and truck drivers were organised in
Famagusta port and at the check point where the consignment should have been cleared. The
trader complained about various forms of pressure from within the Turkish Cypriot
community that were exerted on him to cancel the transaction.

[Pyrpolizer]

Don't worry the truth will shine in the next report as well.
It is exactly like you said. Like you did in the 60s. Forcing your own people into isolation and then blaming the devilish GCs. This time however it will not pass.