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[GorillaGal]

thank you Karma, i just saw your campaign. much appreciation!

[Southerner]

i live in the city, a suburb of NYC. there are no fields here, so the illegals i see are all contractors, painters, landscapers. they work hard, and they make very decent wages.

GorillaGal I fully agree with you, everyone is concerned about the South American shot dead by the police around the time of the July 7th bombings, he was mistaken for a terrorist.
He was in the UK illegaly, working illegaly in a lucrative trade; not paying a penny in tax or health contributions just as many of the illegal east europeans are in the UK.
The penalties for employing these people should be as great if not worse for the employers who, as far as I'm concerned fall into the same catagory as drug dealers!

[Kikapu]

GG and Southerner,

Before you two start blaming the Illegals for everything that is wrong in the countries that they are in, you better stop and start blaming the corporations that hire these people, and mostly at "slave wage". You may want to give some examples of higher paid Illegals, but it does not change the facts, and that is, they are here, because we want them here. The USA will not be able to function without the Illegals, because they are paid very low wages. And before you start talking about how they don't pay taxes, you better think again. Every time they buy non food items, they are paying sales tax, unless NY doesn't have that. They also do not have Social Security waiting for them either when they get old. Living 12 in an apartment can't be that great, can it.?? Do you think they like to live in a crowd, or is it because that's how they manage to survive. ?? And lets not forget, that they also send money back to Mexico to support their families back there. As you can see, they have a GREAT life as Illegals.

Anyways, we are off topic, so I'll let it end here.

[Southerner]

GG and Southerner,
Before you two start blaming the Illegals for everything that is wrong in the countries that they are in, you better stop and start blaming the corporations that hire these people,

The people who hire these people as I have said before should pay as High a penalty for employing them.
This section of society in the UK is the same one that went abroad and exploited the inhabitants of the former British colonies; now they encourage them to the UK and exploit them here, it's not the working class people that are employing/exploiting them, and products/food/goods are not less expensive through them being in the UK, the chinese cockle pickers who drowned in Morcombe bay were all illegal immigrants; none of them paying income tax or National Health Contributions.
The new crimes that have come into being in the UK since the influx under the EEC rules are too many to mentiom here.
And please don't tell me we benefit/benefitted from these exploitations because if you do send me my share of the loot. When my Wife and I were posted to Cyprus in 1966 it was the first time in our lives that we had a bathroom, indoor toilet and a kitchen, this house was not on the Army base but down town in Limassol ans rented off of a Cypriot family who we still vist with.

[Kikapu]

Southerner,

In short, everyone benefits from "cheap labour" whether directly or indirectly, except those who provide the "cheap labour", because they are being exploited. Why do you think almost everything is made in China, India and many other poor countries these days for items that we use in our daily lives, including "call centres". In order to pay taxes, they need to be legal and paid decent salary, so those cockle pickers that drowned, were victims of "Capitalist Greed", because it was cheaper to have them in that predicament, than having them making a decent earning to have a decent life.

We are benefiting all the time from "cheap labour", but who cares about those who have been exploited.

[Southerner]

Southerner,
In short, everyone benefits from "cheap labour" whether directly or indirectly, except those who provide the "cheap labour", :

By far the main beneficiaries of cheap labour are the employers, the end user benefits to a minute degree if at all; a classical exaple being Dyson vacuum cleaners now being made in India where labour costs are less than one fifth of the UK yet there has been no significant reduction in the price of the Dyson cleaners; they are still one of the most expensive brands on the market
I am not so naive enough as to believe that we all benefit from cheap labour, if you believe that strawberries are 1/4 the price because east europeans are picking them then you are really naive.

[Kikapu]

Southerner,
In short, everyone benefits from "cheap labour" whether directly or indirectly, except those who provide the "cheap labour", :

By far the main beneficiaries of cheap labour are the employers, the end user benefits to a minute degree if at all; a classical exaple being Dyson vacuum cleaners now being made in India where labour costs are less than one fifth of the UK yet there has been no significant reduction in the price of the Dyson cleaners; they are still one of the most expensive brands on the market
I am not so naive enough as to believe that we all benefit from cheap labour, if you believe that strawberries are 1/4 the price because east europeans are picking them then you are really naive.

Benefits come to average people through "cheap labour" from different ways. Corporations that out source their products and services to cheaper locations end up increasing their profit margins, which means their company share prices goes up, and if you hold their company shares, you make more money through dividends and higher share prices. This is just one example. There are many ways to get benefits through cheap labour, or else they would be paying these people much better wages. I can guarantee you, that if your strawberries were from Switzerland and were picked by the Swiss, you would be paying more for them, than what you are paying now.

I'm not condoning "slave wages". In fact, the opposite.

[amazed]

Guys - where are the rest of the photos?
keep them coming....

[Southerner]

I can guarantee you, that if your strawberries were from Switzerland and were picked by the Swiss, you would be paying more for them, than what you are paying now.
I'm not condoning "slave wages". In fact, the opposite.

But we're not talking about Swtzerland we're talking about the UK & US we're also talking about working the common or garden class not Stocks and Shares investors.

[Kikapu]

I can guarantee you, that if your strawberries were from Switzerland and were picked by the Swiss, you would be paying more for them, than what you are paying now.
I'm not condoning "slave wages". In fact, the opposite.

But we're not talking about Swtzerland we're talking about the UK & US we're also talking about working the common or garden class not Stocks and Shares investors.

That was just an example. Same could also apply to your pension funds. Also using the profits to increase the size of the company, which in turn will employ more people. I can guarantee you also, if waiters and waitresses were making a decent wage, your meals would be much higher, specially if the "Illegals" did not work the fields.

You are benefiting Southerner, you just don't know it or willing to admit it.

This is my last word on this thread about this. Let's get back to seeing peoples pictures.