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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:00 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Tell that to those who have not come to know you yet.
Those who met you say you pack them by the hundreds in Greenhouses where they sleep eat and shit, to work for you like slaves in construction sites, while at the same time you live like kings and you are ALL rich


Look at your own migrant workers, Sri Lankans, Indians, Turkish Cypriots etc and the way you treat and benefit from them, then criticise others. Its the same the world over so throwing bricks when you live in a glass house yourself is not a very clever thing to do. :wink:

Where are we going with these postings? whats your point?
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Postby devil » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:52 pm

Having lived in Switzerland for 35 years, please allow me to correct any misunderstanding.

1. There are three levels of government: federal, cantonal and communal. Of these, the communal is the strongest and most important, followed by the cantonal and the federal is the weakest. Why is this? Because the federal government is responsible ONLY for things of national interest, like the military, money, customs, foreign affairs etc. The federal cabinet has only 7 ministries with one federal councillor for each and the federal president is elected annually without re-eligibility by the federal assembly. Things like health, education, police, language, roads etc, are the responsibility of the communes and cantons, without much federal control, other than outlining that the motorway going through Vaud meets up with that going through Fribourg or Valais!

2. I paid most taxes to the commune, less to the canton and very little to the confederation.

3. The Penal, Civil and Obligations Codes form the basis of federal law but the interpretation and administration of the law is mostly cantonal and communal. There are thousands of articles where it states that such-and-such is discretionary on the cantons which, in turn, turn it over to the communes.

4. The only federal bodies that have a certain amount of power are the Federal Supreme Courts. These rule only on matters of the interpretation of Federal Law and, as often as not, they give a ruling and then pass it back to the cantonal judiciary for a revised judgement.

5. I bet few people here can even name the Swiss President (2006, Moritz Leuenberger; 2007, Madeleine Calmey-Rey), such is the low key of Swiss Federalism.

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The Swiss Confederal system is arguably one of the best methods of government in the world and certainly the nearest to a direct democracy. Because of it, a country with practically no natural resources and little easy-to-work agricultural land, with four national languages and six ethnic groups and cultures, has melded itself into one of the richest countries (per capita) in the world. One country has modelled itself after it and, in 40-odd years, has turned itself from a poor, swampy, island into the richest and most innovative country in SE Asia, Singapore. It could never work in Cyprus, though, because there is no room in confederalism for corruption, the cult of political personalities or "coumbari-ism".
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:41 pm

Well said devil. Guess who has the most koumbari in Cyprus? Our President would become a mere mukhtar if we were to join forces with the TC's, even in a Swiss style federation. This, you understand cannot be accepted ...
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:48 pm

Bananiot wrote:Well said devil. Guess who has the most koumbari in Cyprus? Our President would become a mere mukhtar if we were to join forces with the TC's, even in a Swiss style federation. This, you understand cannot be accepted ...


mukhtar LOL
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:54 pm

Shouldn't it be defined as a banana split republic?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:24 pm

Ha,ha,ha you are a joke VP.
Did you ever hear us calling the Sri-Lankas "brothers".
Did we ever tell them "thank you" for saving us?
Do the Sri-Lankas send us annual packages, after sucking their own people?

NB.The Sri-Lankas and the Indians are the most polite and Kind people in the World.
I hate the Pilipino-papagalo though.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:54 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Ha,ha,ha you are a joke VP.
Did you ever hear us calling the Sri-Lankas "brothers".
Did we ever tell them "thank you" for saving us?
Do the Sri-Lankas send us annual packages, after sucking their own people?

NB.The Sri-Lankas and the Indians are the most polite and Kind people in the World.
I hate the Pilipino-papagalo though.


Is that why you treat them like scum? you are envious of our relationship with our Turkish cousins something which you could never gain in a million years, just think about it before you spout out your usual demeaning drivel.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:58 pm

Devil,

Even high school kids know the reason the Swiss developed so much is because they are a crossroad in Europe. All European highways pass from there.

I really doubt it has anything to do with such a complex political system you are having over there.
Such a system requires the communities to be naturally split and own their own lands. So to apply such a system in Cyprus we need to first legalise the results of the Invasion and lose our properties.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:06 pm

We treat the Sri-Lankas like scum? You must be joking really. In fact we treat them as humanely as we can. It is more usual than not to have them on our own table, take them out with the family if they wish, plus a lot of other small presents.
No my dear, they might be poor, they might be working for us, but the vast majority is treated as equal human beings.
Don't forget our Sri-Lankas are Christian Catholics....

The point is however they are not "our brothers", nor do we owe them anything...
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:08 pm

Don't worry I practically love the relation you have with the mainland Turks, I wish it expands as much as possible.
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