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[Piratis]

Banana Republic was a term made for Honduras when the USA Fruit companies (main export: Bananas) and CIA were the ones running the country behind the scenes and democracy was only theoretical.

Based on this, yes Cyprus was made a Banana Republic with the 1960 agreements. Instead of having the people democratically creating their constitution, the foreigners forced their own rules that included things like "Guarantor powers", huge military bases etc. A true Republic would of course never have such things forced on it.

However what I find ridiculous, is that Bananiot is making this thread. If what we have now is Banana Republic once, what would have been created with the Annan plan would have been Banana Republic 100 times. I am not even sure if Banana Republic would be a term good enough, maybe Joke Fake Republic would be a better term.

[humanist]

I think they ought to wear shorts and thongs even in parliament

[Bananiot]

Here is another example of how things are done in a banana republic. In such a republic the democratically elected president of all the bananiots readily accuses one quarter of its citizens of being traitors.

[elko]

Here is another example of how things are done in a banana republic. In such a republic the democratically elected president of all the bananiots readily accuses one quarter of its citizens of being traitors.

I am still wondering about the meaning of "Bananiot"?
ismet

[miltiades]

PIRATIS WROTE:

"""with the Annan plan would have been Banana Republic 100 times. I am not even sure if Banana Republic would be a term good enough, maybe Joke Fake Republic would be a better term."""

The AP Plan was the most absurd solution ever offered to a nation. From page 1 it divided the people of Cyprus into two separated "foreign states " within a state. I'm obsessed with the article dealing with ROAD management POLICE administration and the prospect of foreign troops departing from our land VOLUNTARILY !!! Bullocks !
A solution that is based on all Cypriots administering their country irrespective whether they are in the majority of one section or another will perhaps have a chance of success , and what is wrong with having no majorities or minorities in Cyprus just as we have in the UK . The present government consists of British people with varying ethnic associations , indeed Brown will next year lead the nation not as a Scotsman but a Brit. Lets have Talat and Papadopoulos join forces and tell the people that they are first and foremost Cypriots. It is a disgrace that we are perhaps the only nation on earth that rejects its own identity.

[Bananiot]

Okay elko, let me spell it out. If people that herald from Cyprus are cypriots then people that herald from a banana republic are bananiots. Similarly, when the Ugandan diktator Idi Amin decided to chance the name of Uganda to Idi, it dawned on him that the citizens would be idiots and he thus changed his mind.

Miltiades, what you suggest is very noble but you know as well as I do it will never take place in a banana republic. The AP takes exactly this into consideration. From this point of view it is a master plan because this aside it is partition.

[miltiades]

Bananiot I have the utmost respect for you and do understand your genuine beliefs that the AP was the solution or at least a solution. I'm afraid we differ vastly in our interpretation of the likely results that would , I'm certain , have follow , just as day follows night , and the results that would follow would have been catastrophic for Cyprus on a far larger scale than the results that followed the Greek ( From Greece ) military coup of 1974 in order to oust Makarios. The AP was intrinsically flawed without a single safety device in place to remedy the undeniably to follow civil conflicts that would have erupted. Turkey had , in the AP plan , been given a legitimate right of intervention where ever in what ever circumstances SHE choose to propagate as her justified reason to intervene Division of our Island would have been cemented for ever with no going back , apart from the route of violence. No Sir , the AP spelt the end of a United Free Cyprus.

[elko]

Miltiades,
Do you honestly support a Bizonal and Bicommunal Federal Cyprus? I know Papadop says yes but means no.
ismet

[Pyrpolizer]

FEDERAL:
In a Federal system the laws and powers of the Central state have superior hierachy to those of the states. In the Anan Plan they didn’t so the Anan Plan was not a Federation.
Depending on how many the responsibilities of the Central state are and how many those of the component states, we could have a very strong Federation like Germany or a very weak, approaching confederation.
Federal also means that each and every citizen will have equal individual rights anywhere inside the Federation. If the GCs are not allowed to buy-sell, establish bussiness, and generally be treated equally in the TC component state, that is not Federal, that is something else.(Aka Anan Plan). If each component state would have its own flag and its own national anthem, cherished by the citizens to such a degree that the Federal Flag and anthem are totally ignored that would still be Federal but not desirable. It would be better for such a small place to have 1 flag,and 1national anthem for both the CSs and the Fed.

BI-COMMUNAL
Each community will form the majority of people in its own component state.This majority may range from 0% allowance of GCs to return to 5%,10%,15% upto 45%. If 0% it is appartheit, if it is 10% but with such restrictions that practically turn it to 0% that’s Anan Plan.
Bi-communal also means the majority will govern itself in its component state. This means the GCs who would return might have 0%,5%,10% upto 45% of the political power in the TC component state. If it is 0% that would be appartheit +fascism , otherwise called Anan Plan.

BI-ZONAL.
Each component state will be assigned an area. If those 2 areas will be separated by borders and checkpoints that would not be bi-zonal that would be 2 separate countries. If the basic rights are different from one area to another that would be 2 countries.If by just crossing you limit your rights to half then that’s not bi-zonal that is 2 separate countries.
If one of the 2 zones has a constitution based on Kemalism, and the other based on something else that would be 2 separate countries.

So don’t tell me Papadopoulos does not accept BBF any more than Talat does not accept. Do you personally accept BBF?

[Piratis]

Calling the Annan plan a Federation is a joke. As it is written in the Annan plan itself, the plan is based on the Swiss Confederation http://www.admin.ch

However its is not even that! In Switzerland the central state is still above the component states. Compare these articles from Annan plan and from the Swiss Confederation constitution

Annan Plan:

Article 3 Constitution as supreme law
2. The federal government shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the constituent states under this Constitution.
Each constituent state shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the federal government or the other constituent
state under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between
federal and constituent state laws

Swiss Confederation

Art. 49 Supremacy of and Respect for Federal Law
1 Federal law takes precedence over contrary cantonal law.
2 The Confederation shall ensure that the Cantons respect federal law.

So who are they kidding? Annan plan was not Federation! Federations exist in USA,Germany, Russia etc. Annan plan has nothing to do with these. Annan plan was nothing less than partition.
The two separate states that would result from it would be as united as Cyprus and Finland are within the European union. Nothing more.

So yes, we agreed to BBF as a huge compromise. However this BBF should be, as we agreed, a Federation, and the land distribution between the resulting component states should be a fair one as well.

A BBF we will accept. Capitulation via Annan partition plans, never.