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Postby miltiades » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:41 pm

We shall see soon. As far as the free world is concerned the only thing that Afghanistan offers the world is drugs.
If I had my way I would most certainly piss off out of Afghanistan and let these prehistoric savages kill each other and have a race as to who gets to paradise first.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:03 pm

miltiades wrote:We shall see soon. As far as the free world is concerned the only thing that Afghanistan offers the world is drugs.
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precisely!
this is exactly the foundation of the free world. the miracle of the free market.

they are only producing what the west demands. had there been no demand they wouldnt have produced. and as far as i know such drugs are not only used by "prehistoric savages" , but from the other members of the world.

so why complain ?
its the invisible hand doing what it is supposed to do. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:37 pm

Mr cypezotaliban would be a far more appropriate avatar.
You , to quote Kifeas when refering to humanist , are a very confused individual. Some time ago you pronounced that had we had foreign aid workers in Cyprus during the EOKA struggle , they too would have suffered the fate of the wretched Iraqi FAW , their throats slit while EOKA fighters were chanting DOXASI THEE MOU PANTODINAME.
You belong to the class of people who were really meant to have been born in the darkest areas of the world but for some unexplained reason ended up making a nice living amongst us in the West . Your immense dislike of the West is measured only by my profound dislike of the savages you so much admire.

LONG MAY THE WEST RULE WITH THE USA AS THE SUPERPOWER .
The Taliban are indeed your people , go join them .
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Postby miltiades » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:38 pm

PS. My apologies I forgot to wish you a very merry Xmas in our Western world.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:59 pm

Miltiades,
I believe you should read the document Kikapu gave. It is signed by Donald Ramsfelt Dick Cheyny and it spells it out clearly:To subordinate the world to our interests. It also says "to our values" but that's a cover up
I have nothing against the Americans but I am not a blind supporter either. I don't even follow what they are doing around the world but it all looks strange to me.
Siding with them will not help us as Cypriots. You saw what they did to us with the Anan Plan....
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Postby miltiades » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:26 pm

Pyrpolizer , this is where you are wrong. Remember there are Cypriots in America fighting our cause for a united Cyprus . I support the USA and I thank them for refusing to recognise the occupied part of Cyprus as a separate nation , and you must know very well that if America was to recognise the "trnc " that would be the END .
Please bear in mind that the USA just like superpowers of the past , is merely looking after her interests just as we in Cyprus should and not aligning our selves with the enemies of America and the West.
Just bear in mind the consequences of an American recognition of the "trnc" NO MORE UNITED CYPRUS GONE FOR EVER. THE END
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:56 pm

wrote: we in Cyprus should and not aligning our selves with the enemies of America and the West.


That’s a very valid point Miltiades.

Now this is food for thought:

It is said that one of the objectives of the EU is to counter balance the influence of the Americans. Not to go against them per se but at least limit their influence in the European Continent.Seeing how the Arabs started wanting Euros instead of US$ (As Cypezokyli pointed earlier) is an indication that we started having cinflicting interests here

Is the development of the EU in line with the American Interests? Are the Americans actually working for the disolution of EU? Is Turkey been used as their Tojian horse, for the final blow of the EU? Do they really want a United Cyprus (= more stable EU??)

NB.Like I said it is just food for thought. I cannot even answer these questions myself.
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Postby miltiades » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:23 am

Pyrpolizer , surely you must know that Americas' interests are best served by a strong EU with Turkey as a full member and Cyprus as a united nation . The last time Europe was dis united the Americans had to come over to Europe , not only during the war but also after the war with the Marshall plan. Every one , and more so the Hellenes , seems to think that America has some sinister plan to occupy the entire world , influence yes , but occupy ? The land of opportunity with a constitution ranked amongst the greatest in history. Citizens with inalienable Rights including the most profound of all , Respect of the sanctity of Life , including Animal life ,
Freedom , and the pursuit of life's amenities that can offer citizens that follow this course a meaningful life.
A nation that believes in democracy , not dictatorship , with all citizens equal under the law , including Presidents (Dixon - Clinton. )

It is preposterous to imagine that the USA wishes the demise of the EU , indeed the opposite is true . Strong Europe prospering and living under conditions of peace and stability not war and conflict as it was in the last century.

Merry Xmas my friend to you and your family.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:30 pm

Merry Xmas to you and your family too Miltiades.
But isn't it a bit early for wishes, I mean we have another 5 days until then. Are you leaving for holidays perhaps?

NB.No need to mention that in a United Cyprus the only wish applicable to both communities is for "happy new year"
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Postby cypezokyli » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:50 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:

@Cypezokyli:

I heard about this shifting of the oil producing countries towards the Euro as they don't really trust the US$ which has nothing to back it up in value. I heard that was a nightmare for the Americans as their currency would practically flank -it actually did Vs the Euro. So, do you know how the matter stands today, I mean how many OPC sell in Euro and how many in $? Or were they all forced to transact in holy US$ by the Americans?


didnt have much time to search, but TDN is answering that question today :

World rethinking the dollar's hegemony
With more countries shedding dollars in favor of euros, political motives are clear, as is economic common sense. Both might diminish the economic influence of the US

TAYLAN BİLGİÇ/CALEB LAUER

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News

Iran is to move against the ailing U.S. dollar, saying it will no longer keep or do business using it. Instead, the country will sell oil for euros and also shift its foreign currency reserves into euros.

This shift has a clear political motive and has created wild speculation about the �downfall of U.S. monetary hegemony.� According to analysts, Tehran has been steadily shifting its foreign-held assets out of dollars since 2003.

�There will be no reliance on dollars,� said Gholam-Hussein Elham, spokesman for Iran. �This change is already being made in currency reserves abroad.�

The Central Bank of Venezuela has also slashed its dollar reserves. Iran and Venezuela have political motives for wanting to hurt the U.S. economy, but the tendency shows sign of spreading to �U.S.-friendly� countries, too.

The dollar is the world's currency and is regarded by some as a pillar of U.S. hegemony. They argue if the dollar loses its position as the world's reserve currency, this will signal the diminishing influence of the United States.

A massive sell-off of dollars would be bad news for the United States; currency instability causes inflation. If countries start selling off some of their dollars in exchange for euros, any dollars kept in reserve would be worth much less.

Others say it is unrealistic to expect the U.S. dollar to lose its position as the international reserve currency; however, they advise against relying exclusively on dollars for international exchange.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=62218
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