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[Piratis]

turkey can open all chapters in one day but it cant close them..thats the big issue, cyprus is veoting on the clouse of all chapters.

In 15+ years time, ho well done great move

15 years? 15 years assumes there is progress. Without any chapter closing because of our vetoes, and with 8 frozen, we are not talking about 15 but about 115 now.

Basically what was agreed is that Turkey will never join, but it can continue negotiations. So what the Germans and the French wanted basically. Having Turkey near, being able to control her and impose reforms, but at the same time without Turkey joining and having millions of Turks floating Europe.

Thats OK for us as well. Turkey will be forced to make reforms, and who knows maybe, just maybe, one day it will become a civilized nation that will respect its neighbors. At the same time thought they will be making no official progress in their EU negotiations and they will not be able to join and rip the real benefits of their reforms.

If the hopes that Turkey will become civilized are proven wrong (there is a big possibility) then most Europeans will just propose that the accession process of Turkey should end.

[alexISS]

turkey can open all chapters in one day but it cant close them..thats the big issue, cyprus is veoting on the clouse of all chapters.

In 15+ years time, ho well done great move

ho? we really getting into the xmas spirit or what here? ho ho ho..

[Viewpoint]

turkey can open all chapters in one day but it cant close them..thats the big issue, cyprus is veoting on the clouse of all chapters.

In 15+ years time, ho well done great move

15 years? 15 years assumes there is progress. Without any chapter closing because of our vetoes, and with 8 frozen, we are not talking about 15 but about 115 now.

Basically what was agreed is that Turkey will never join, but it can continue negotiations. So what the Germans and the French wanted basically. Having Turkey near, being able to control her and impose reforms, but at the same time without Turkey joining and having millions of Turks floating Europe.

Thats OK for us as well. Turkey will be forced to make reforms, and who knows maybe, just maybe, one day it will become a civilized nation that will respect its neighbors. At the same time thought they will be making no official progress in their EU negotiations and they will not be able to join and rip the real benefits of their reforms.

If the hopes that Turkey will become civilized are proven wrong (there is a big possibility) then most Europeans will just propose that the accession process of Turkey should end.

I agree, I also did say 15+ years, Turkey will be seen to maintain her EU perspective thus keeping foreign revenues rolling in and will put the EU issue in the deep freeze because for suspended chapters she does not have to make the changes necessary either so the EU will not see any change or any benefit, only the chapters being discussed will warrant Turkeys attention and if they are also to be put on hold then the incentive will in a few years be lost. Your EU leverage seems to disappearing fast, what next?

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, the accession process for Turkey is supposed to be an indication of stability and of a future full membership. That is why foreign companies are willing to invest there. If it becomes clear that Turkey will not join and her accession process has issues, then this means less presumed stability and less foreign investment.

So with the slow down of the accession process comes a slow down in the prospects of Turkey to attract more foreign investments. In the future this process might become slower and slower and reach dead ends, which will have an even further impact.

All these, and still we (and many others) keep our veto powers, we didn't relinquish them and we can use them.

So don't talk as if you got it all your way. Your got it partly and temporarily. Basically you are like somebody that had his execution postponed by having his arm cut off. You are still alive, so be glad for that, but I really don't see how you can be so enthusiastic about it.

[miltiades]

In the meantime VP Turkish illegal immigrants , in to UK , will continue to be manipulated and exploited by smugglers ( as shown on British TV this week ) . Can you not see that without membership Turkey will remain a third world country with its people constantly trying to improve their lot by seeking greener pastures in Europe.

[paaul12]

EUropean666 wrote

there are several chapters that have frozen due to cyprus vetoes....you need to refresh you knowledge on EU's procedures

Is there any chance you could post a link to where it is stated that Greek Cyprus has used its “veto” during the ongoing Turkey EU discussions.

The link would be helpful, so that someone wherever in the world, reading this would be able to substantiate your allegation that Greek Cyprus has actually used its veto.

To my limited knowledge on the matter I was not aware of any instance when Greek Cyprus had used their veto, still u learn something new everyday, I guess.

Or maybe you were only dreaming?

That sounds more like it, they have a name 4 people like you?

[Piratis]

Is there any chance you could post a link to where it is stated that Greek Cyprus has used its “veto” during the ongoing Turkey EU discussions.

Greek Cyprus? Such thing doesn't exist in EU. What exists in EU is Republic of Cyprus. Who said that a thing called "Greek Cyprus" exists and used a veto?? You saw this in your dream?

[elko]

Paul,
I think you are right, the Greek Veto has never been used. In fact it disappeared. It got stuck up somewhere but I am not telling
ismet

[Kikapu]

To my limited knowledge on the matter I was not aware of any instance when Greek Cyprus had used their veto, still u learn something new everyday, I guess.

Of their allocated 71 or 72 veto vote, they used up one, about 3 months ago, which was basically ignored by the EU.

[paaul12]

Pratas wrote:

Is there any chance you could post a link to where it is stated that Greek Cyprus has used its “veto” during the ongoing Turkey EU discussions.


Greek Cyprus? Such thing doesn't exist in EU. What exists in EU is Republic of Cyprus. Who said that a thing called "Greek Cyprus" exists and used a veto?? You saw this in your dream?

Before you rush to hit the send button, try and read the message, no where did I write that Greek Cyprus used the veto!!!!!

EUropean666 wrote it, you would see that if you had read the message, I was simply asking for a link, moroon!!


Greek Cyprus, thats whee u live, did u not know that?