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[miltiades]

I endorse fully Kifeas arguments regarding direct flights to "TRNC" The occupied area of Cyprus has no international legal status and common sense dictates that a non- recognised "state " can not support international obligations on air safety and air flight regulations governing all participating legal states.

It is an absurd fallacy shared by the "divisionists " that the "trnc" will one day gain international recognition , our nation is one country belonging to all the people of Cyprus , it is not either part of Turkey or Greece. Allowing legal flights to the occupied part will do nothing to redress the present sad situation.

[andri_cy]

Unless "andri_cy" is a Turkish cause propagandist masqueraded into a Greek Cypriot, she is just another case of a very confused Greek Cypriot that has lost all sense of what she is talking about!

Oooooh I was expecting something stupid like that to come out. Just because somethings I say do not conform to what you think is right, that makes me a Turkish cause propagandist? Get a grip... I am willing to make concessions yes and maybe I am wrong to think that way, but we have all been stubborn like donkeys for almost half a century and it has lead us to nothing useful so maybe a wind of change is needed. I have argued with many TCs on many points that were in one way or another wrong in my book, but the one time I say something you do not like, it makes me Turkish propagandist?

I endorse fully Kifeas arguments regarding direct flights to "TRNC" The occupied area of Cyprus has no international legal status and common sense dictates that a non- recognised "state " can not support international obligations on air safety and air flight regulations governing all participating legal states.

It is an absurd fallacy shared by the "divisionists " that the "trnc" will one day gain international recognition , our nation is one country belonging to all the people of Cyprus , it is not either part of Turkey or Greece. Allowing legal flights to the occupied part will do nothing to redress the present sad situation.

Miltiades, I understand what you are saying and even though it is going to sound like I am contradicting myself, I will say that to an extend I agree with it. I am not saying we should recognize the TRNC, far from it. I am just wondering if there is a way to allow or support direct flights, if we all worked together so that the TCs can fly directly into their country also. We need to start somewhere and everyone needs to compromise a little here and there. That is the only way we will ever agree-if there is a chance of that happening at all.

[Viewpoint]

I endorse fully Kifeas arguments regarding direct flights to "TRNC" The occupied area of Cyprus has no international legal status and common sense dictates that a non- recognised "state " can not support international obligations on air safety and air flight regulations governing all participating legal states.

It is an absurd fallacy shared by the "divisionists " that the "trnc" will one day gain international recognition , our nation is one country belonging to all the people of Cyprus , it is not either part of Turkey or Greece. Allowing legal flights to the occupied part will do nothing to redress the present sad situation.

so in reality what you are saying is that you cannot have these human rights until you agree the solution I want. Allowing direct flights does not constitute recognition and your mentality is obviously holding us hostage in order to impose your will, the EU will in time see if they haven't done so already the injustices you inflict even today, its ok for me to fly direct as I am a GC but not for TCs...hypocrisy at its best.

[Bananiot]

Andri, this is what you get if you dare to question the wisdom of the bigots. Miltiades, would you say the same for Tawian? Did you hear Papadopoulos complain to the Chinese leadership of the danger Cyprus becoming another Tawian? Can we go on with our wishful thinking for ever?

[andri_cy]

Bananiot it is a forum, we are not all going to agree, otherwise we needn't debate. There are a lot of times I disagree with you too. Lots of times I disagreed with mrfromng and viewpoint and zan and said so. They didn't tell me I was a TC with a Greek cause. Everyone knows where I stand-well I hope they do anyway. I disagree with extremists on both sides. I am not a TC(even though I don't see how it is relevant) I am not confused and I know a lot of times that what I will say will get me accused of something. To be honest I don't give a dirty dime. I am a Greek Cypriot and I am proud to be Cypriot and I am also proud of my Greek roots. If people like me, it is a bonus;if they don't well the world will still turn...
We GC's are bigots alright. We hate the Turks, we hate the Americans, we hate the British we hate em all. Sometimes I wonder if it is ourselves we hate and it is just transference...

[Pyrpolizer]

My friend Pyro, you are wrong as always. I have not vanished anywhere but some of us have a life so I can't keep glued to my computer monitoring what the lunatics are doing all the time

What US was doing was just a show, it is not practical to have direct flights to Ercan from US.
On the legal side I pointed you to Chicago Convention and specially article 2. To help you further I pointed out the phrase "Suzerainty, Protection and Mandate" but it was simply not understood. I get the feeling that in the Gymnasium you study too much Greek grammar and syntax but you lose out completely on "comprehension". Very sad really but I am not to blame for this.

Anyway, in simple terms that even morons can understand "What law, convention etc. can stop UK from starting direct flights to Ercan if same laws etc. did not stop Turkey doing the same?" Simple question, simple answer please. Just for once leave aside your fancifull thoughts.
ismet

In my Gymnasium I learned that Elkos which in English turned out to be ulcers are always bleeding, and you are a live proof of that.

Well since you are such a high status Juridical expert you should know that you already answered your own question with a simple "nothing" and then went on having a bayram for yourself.
So in view of the few self explanatory extracts I provided you from the Chicago convention, plus the few hints concerning UN resolutions and EU Aquis, will you now let me watch you in astonishment, and ask myself what is this high class moron having a bayram for?

[Pyrpolizer]

You are still floating around on a pink cloud can you not see that the only political viewpoint coming from the south is we should squeeze these bastards economically as much as possible cut them off from the rest of the world, claim our properties but don't give them theirs so they cave into our demands for a GC state with Tc as just another minority. If after 32 years they have not realized these tactics will never work but only fuel division then there will never be any solution on this island, why cant people see this for what it is, blackmail.

If it were blackmail it should have worked already. It is not blackmail it is just the result of your own isolation due to your illegalities. There is absolutely no blackmail to a thief who gets someones elses Mercedes and hides away without any real way to make use of that Mercedes. Let him return the damn Mercedes and nobody will be after him anymore.
Of course it was not really a Mercedes. It was the house where 200, 000 people were living, it was the lands they were bringing their food on the table. Never the thief asked where those people would sleep or how they would feed.

You cannot even comprehend there is NO STATE in the world who would cut off 1/5th of its own people just to blackmail them. What for, what is it going to gain? Your own earnings that you would make with your own labour? 1/5th more taxes the state would collect? 1/5th more power? A boom in tourism if it had the currently occupied areas? A hell less internal problems? A superforce alignment of Cyprus+Greece+Turkey in world affairs and EU? You must be joking really.

Continue with your illegalities, and be free to self isolate yourselves for eternity if you like. Nobody can make your illegalities legal. Return the properties to their legal owners, enrol in the state that can give you legality because you are still part of it, and you are done.

The alternative for you is to continue endless negotiations for political equality of the 82% with the 18% until you square out the circle.

[MR-from-NG]

Miltiades, I understand what you are saying and even though it is going to sound like I am contradicting myself, I will say that to an extend I agree with it. I am not saying we should recognize the TRNC, far from it. I am just wondering if there is a way to allow or support direct flights, if we all worked together so that the TCs can fly directly into their country also. We need to start somewhere and everyone needs to compromise a little here and there. That is the only way we will ever agree-if there is a chance of that happening at all.

Well said andry, whats wrong with me catching my flight direct from Heathrow to Ercan?This would not result in recognition.

An aircraft is most vulnerable at take-off and landing, why am I forced to double this risk?

This is nothing but bullsh*t, you just wont to make life as difficult as you can for us. How about you showing your human side to us just for once and do the right thing. You are all so blinkered that you cant see by treating us like this you are solidifying partition even more.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kifeas,

Welcome back re. It started getting difficult here to handle so many bleeding elkos. Your expert medical advice came right on time. Stand by on emergency calls at this clinic, ok?

[Tony-4497]

Direct flights to the occupied areas in their current form should never be allowed.

Turkish complaints regarding the lack of "equal treatment" etc are similar to a car thief complaining that the car he stole is not treated equally to legitimately-owned cars by the police!

TCs and Turkey currently hold more than double the portion of Cyprus they are entitled to by the force of arms and as a result of brutal ethnic cleansing. While this continues, they cannot claim to be anything more than common thieves.

Even if someone puts aside the issues of punishment and responsibility for past actions (the 2 sides might never agree on this), Turkish forward-looking proposals for lifting the isolation etc should have been accompanied by an offer to return a fair portion of the land, if they were sincere and based on principles.