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[Pyrpolizer]

I beleive the reason why the Cyprus problem is not solved is because there is too much divergence among the TCs themselves as to what they want. It is not like the Gcs who more or less all want the same thing.
Among the TCs there are the partitionists (hell they dominate this forum simply because this forum is in ENGLISH) They Most UK TC expats ARE PARTITIONISTS. There is a 5% minority that wants unitary state and return to Roc, there are others who want a true BBF as what the GCs want, and there are others who want confederation. Most settlers want the status quo or partition. The problem with the TCs is that partitionists+Confederationists is more than 50%. Perhaps they need some time to realise there is no way the GCs will accept either partition or confederation.

[Pyrpolizer]

And yes as Nick said, there;s the additional problem with Turkey and her interests on the island.
I am not sure if we will ever get out of this mess.

[humanist]

Paul12, good for you. That is what I like to see action being taken by the people. It doesn't matter that you oppose my views the fact is that I have motivated you to act, for that I am greatful. Perhaps if everyone acted the power of be may act also.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to motivate you to act.

[humanist]

Nickp, you hve put an interesting argument forward, even though I do not agree with you I respect your point of view. However I would like to point out that when they gain membership that will no longer apply so I fail to see how access to ports have anything to do with occupation of Cyprus.

They have also retracted now ... a bit of a joke really ...... I am surprised the EU hasn't got sick and tired of their undeciciveness of whether they want to join the EU therefore need to comply with EU principles and agreements or not.

[stuballstu]

What difference will direct flights make?

It is hardly likely that BA and all the British tour operators are queing up to fly to the north. All the ROC government has to do is to cut their subsidies to stop them even considering flying to Ercan/Tymbou.

The biggest majority of British tourist come go to the GC side on holiday anyway. Why would they want to fly to the north and then have a lenthy transfer to their destination in the south. Doesnt make any sense.

Twinkle wrote

The GC can do nothing about the flights between Turkey and the occupied areas as it is "designated" turkish airspace.

It takes CY over 4 hours to fly to Moscow. If they could fly directly over the occupied areas it would halve the time

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Twinkle all foreign airlines can fly over Turkish airspace to Larnaca or Paphos. It is only Cyprus registered airlines which are not allowed to fly over Turkish airspace. I had this disagreement with a friend of a friend who flew Moscow to Larnaca with Aeroflot. He showed me a pic of Karpaz from the aircraft as he flew over it. It is a trip he has done many times.

[humanist]

Well stuballstu, although I would like to see a UNIFIED people's Of Cyprus and I appreciate that Turkish Speaking Cypriots are just as disadvantaged by the economic embargo exoerienced by the occupied North as much as those greek Speaking Cypriots who are expelled from their home lands, there is a principle issue, social justice and human rights to consider in openning trade with the occupied North.

[humanist]

thanks Pyrpoliser!

May I ask are you Turkish Speaking Cypriot?

Sadly the TSC's are bearing the brunt of the whole thing more than anyone ..... I acknowledge GSC's have lost property and financially are missing out but overall I think our compatriots are worsed off. And ofcourse both sides have lost loved one's including me.

I believe that is TSC leadership is honestly looking at UNIFICATION they need to try and at least enable the return of some settlers to Turkey to enable some normalisation to occur. Also begin to discuss autonomy free from Turkish troop presence and for the RoC to make moves and arrangements so that all TSC property currently occupied by GSC's to be made available to the rightful owners in attempt to show respect and willingness for equal rights among alll Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

thanks Pyrpoliser!

May I ask are you Turkish Speaking Cypriot?

Sadly the TSC's are bearing the brunt of the whole thing more than anyone ..... I acknowledge GSC's have lost property and financially are missing out but overall I think our compatriots are worsed off. And ofcourse both sides have lost loved one's including me.

I believe that is TSC leadership is honestly looking at UNIFICATION they need to try and at least enable the return of some settlers to Turkey to enable some normalisation to occur. Also begin to discuss autonomy free from Turkish troop presence and for the RoC to make moves and arrangements so that all TSC property currently occupied by GSC's to be made available to the rightful owners in attempt to show respect and willingness for equal rights among alll Cypriots.

You are still floating around on a pink cloud can you not see that the only political viewpoint coming from the south is we should squeeze these bastards economically as much as possible cut them off from the rest of the world, claim our properties but don't give them theirs so they cave into our demands for a GC state with Tc as just another minority. If after 32 years they have not realized these tactics will never work but only fuel division then there will never be any solution on this island, why cant people see this for what it is, blackmail.

[humanist]

Viewpoint .... I don't think that is the case. I truly believe that most Greek Speaking Cypriots and especially those occupying TSC property would be more than happy to do an exchange wth teirs from the North.

I am not sure what you refer to as blackmail?

But hang on a second can you honestly tell me or even quietly tell yourself that occupying refugee property and taking it in mthis day and age is a fair and just action. Like I said you do not need to answer me this question but please try and answer yourself.

What I would also like to note is that sadly I don't think there will be a solution and sadly both peoples will continue to suffer... when infact I think there is a very simple solution. Everyone return to their homeland and lets start working on how we can all live together in harmony, have equal political rights as the rest of Cypriot citizens, how we can all learn all Cypriot languages, how we can minimise racial violence and encourage the building of a unique Cyprus culture that enconpassess all facets of life of all its people incuding peoples sexuality, religion non-religion, socio-economic background, language and class.

Mate I hear your frustration and believe me it is shared on this side of the divide also.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

Viewpoint .... I don't think that is the case. I truly believe that most Greek Speaking Cypriots and especially those occupying TSC property would be more than happy to do an exchange wth teirs from the North.

Its not the GC people I'm talking about in general they are just like us frustrated but the politics coming out from the south only serves to harden the TC viewpoint, they can no longer bank on the we want reunification attitude which lead up to the referendum, the attitude now is maybe we are better off as we are, why jump back into the fire with a GC leadership that would not even piss on you if you were on fire for the pure fact that you are a TC, let alone share a country with you, do you understand where I am coming from?

I am not sure what you refer to as blackmail?

The blackmail is holding our rights hostage to force us to accept a GC solution. Not allowing us the rights which you so freely throw in our faces at every opportunity saying you are isolating yourselves, which is utter rubbish, its the gc "RoC" we see objecting to every step we take at every turn but one this tide will turn and the TCs will totally turn their back on any thoughts of reunification. You will prove Denktas right.

But hang on a second can you honestly tell me or even quietly tell yourself that occupying refugee property and taking it in mthis day and age is a fair and just action. Like I said you do not need to answer me this question but please try and answer yourself.

This day and ages was 32 years ago and after a bloody war to divide 2 communities at one another throats, one on the verge of annihilation but the majority of TCs who live in GC properties are refugees themselves, plus we have displayed we have no problems with returning them the biggest TC refugees population in Guzelyurt said yes to becoming refugees yet again for the sake of a solution. The property return for the average TC is not a problem they realize that they will have to return something at some stage if there is ever a solution.

Everyone return to their homeland and lets start working on how we can all live together in harmony, have equal political rights as the rest of Cypriot citizens, how we can all learn all Cypriot languages, how we can minimise racial violence and encourage the building of a unique Cyprus culture that encompasses all facets of life of all its people including peoples sexuality, religion non-religion, socio-economic background, language and class.

All the parameters have to be put in place prior to a return that's why we have been unable to agree anything whats good for you is bad for me mentality will always prevail and the issue is near enough unsolvable as to solve these types of issues you have to have trust and understanding which we totally lack and are not prepared to take the first move in any direction whatsoever.