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[quality]

Can somebody please explain to me why the Greek Cypriots are complaining. Lets be honest the Greeks treated the Turkish Cypriots like dogs for many years because they were a minority. The Turkish Cypriots have as much if not more right to be a major part of Cyprus heritage than the Greeks do.

Who do the Greeks actually think they are to just dismiss the Turkish Cypriots as though they are all just insignificant and have no say.

I think the British and the Greeks between them have caused the current climate of isolation of the North and the Turkish Cypriots. The British threw the Turkish Cypriots to the wolves ( ie the Greek Cypriots) and after many years of mistreatment and ethnic cleansing Turkey stepped in to save the Turkish Cypriots being wiped out by the Greek/ Greek Cypriots.

Just who the hell do you damn Greeks think you are...You are just bullies, people are sick of the propoganda, the facts are the facts...you are not getting your own way and you don't like it. I say good luck Turkish Cypriots, I hope you search your souls and give the people in the North a chance to have a happy life free from the vile shadow you have cast upon them for so long. Also can I say that it was a major mistake to allow the Republic of Cyprus into the EU before these issues were settled. Now the EU card will always be played by the Greek side, they are misusing their EU membership as they have misued their power for decades, the whole thing stinks worse since you got into the EU.

[Piratis]

"quality", Greek Cypriots are the ones who are ethnically cleansed from their homeland of 3500 years.

I hope you do know that the now occupied part of Cyprus is the homeland of 200.000 GCs and less than 50.000 TCs. Those 200.000 GCs have been ethnically cleansed by the Turkish army in 1974.

The Greek Cypriots that you call the "wolves" and "bullies" are the ones who had to suffer under Ottoman rule for over 300 years, then were under the British for almost 100 more, and then Britain and Turkey (the good buddies) have arranged to exploit Greek Cypriots yet again in 1974.

During the 99% of our recent history since the Turks set their foot on our island, we are the ones who are oppressed and have our human rights violated, It is our country which is illegally occupied by the Turkish troops. It is our homes which are stolen.

The propagandist of your kind choose to forget the 99% of history, the 200.000 of our refugees, the 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriot victims (6.000 of which in 1974), the 100s of years of oppression and human rights violations against us that continue as we speak, and you are trying to present the TCs as the victims to give Turkey an excuse to continue her illegal occupation.

[MR-from-NG]

Piratis please shut up. How is it you are always the first to respond to newcomers who may know the truth about the Cyprob, and how is it its always the same crap that you respond with.

My god, the man is unbelievable. You do my head in man, give it a break please.

[Piratis]

mrfromng, the crap are your swearing since you apparently have nothing better to say.

Here is the truth as I posted it before, leaving nothing behind. If you disagree with any part tell me which and why.

First of all I have to make something very clear:

I believe that we should leave the past behind, we should forgive each other, stop all illegalities and move ahead with a united democratic country without racist discrimination's and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots.

Unfortunately I notice that there some people that insist on using a tiny and selective part of the past as an excuse for the continuation of illegalities and their demand for a "solution" that will be based on racist discrimination of people based on their ethnic background (which is something that exists in no democratic country in the world)

To those people Greek Cypriots deserved the violations of their human rights for the last 32 years and they deserve to be convicted for eternal violation of their human rights in a country that discriminates against them because of their race.

The fact is however that Turks in Cyprus have committed 100 times more crimes against Greek Cypriots than the other way around.

Greek Cypriots have been the majority on the island of Cyprus for 3000+ years. Their interaction with Turks starts in the 15th century, were the Turks attacked our island. This also answers the question "Who started it" for anybody that thinks that this is important:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

So now it is clear how the interaction of Turks with Greek Cypriots started in Cyprus, and the question "Who started it" is answered as well.

What followed were 300 years of Ottoman rule in Cyprus. During these 3 centuries Greek Cypriots were oppressed second category citizens. They had to pay multiple times the taxes of muslims and their testimony in courts was not accepted. Whenever they tried to revolt against their oppressors they were slaughtered.

So here we have a period were Turks were oppressing and killing Greeks in Cyprus. The result of this period was 300 years of oppression against GCs and 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots dead.

The next "round" of conflict between the two communities was at the end of the British rule in Cyprus, and then from 63 to 68. During this period extremists from both sides were committing crimes and atrocities.

This is the only period that TCs remember, but even here they remember only their own casualties and not the crimes that they had committed against GCs.

So this is a period were both sides had about an equal number of casualties, some 100s for each side.

Then in 1974 the illegal coupists overthrow our president and Turkey found the excuse to invade Cyprus. No TC was killed by the coupists before the invasion had started, but only after.
The result of the coup/invasion was 6000 GCs dead and 200.000 GCs ethnically cleansed. On the other side the TCs had only a couple of 100s of victims.

The next period is the 32 years of illegal occupation and insistence from Turkey to violate international law and human rights. This continues until today.

Conclusion:
1) The Turks "started it" in the 15th century
2) The Turks have committed much much more crimes against Greek Cypriots.
3) The Turks insist on their crimes today
4) Greek Cypriots have committed crimes as well, but only a tiny fraction of the crimes that the Turks have committed.

Still, Greek Cypriots are more than willing to put all these behind as long as we are not provoked by people that remember only the 1% of history that suits that in order to prove that Greek Cypriots are the evil people that deserve even more crimes against them.

Therefore I ask from people on this forum to either:

1) Leave the past behind. Do not try to excuse crimes and illegalities in 2006 with events that happened in the past. Concentrate on how we can find a solution that will respect all Cypriots equally without racist discriminations and human right violations.

Or, if doing (1) is impossible for you then at least:

2) If you believe that the past should be used to determine who is the "good" and who is the "bad" one and that this should be the basis of solving the Cyprus problem (instead of democracy, human rights and legality, that I propose) then at least use the whole history and not the tiny bits that suit you.

[MR-from-NG]

Piratis, you hate TC's with a passion. If you had control of the air we breathe you would turn it off in a second.

Please stop this nonsense, nobody believes you and wants to read your rubbish anymore.

[Piratis]

mrfromng, you are the one who said in the past that you hate all Greeks.

I don't hate anybody because of his race, religion, culture etc.

If I hate some people are those racists that support crimes and illegalities and show no kind of respect.

Once again all you have to reply is with swearing and nothing more. I challenged you to point to me what from what I said above is false but of course you could not do that.

What you can only do is swear or conveniently choose tiny parts of history trying to blame GCs and excuse yet more crimes against us.

When you are challenged to see the WHOLE truth, you lose your words since it doesn't suit you.

[miltiades]

Quality , welcome to the forum , lets hope you have some constructive views to offer but do tell us , are you about or have you purchased property in the North of Cyprus and are you perhaps concerned as to the legality of the purchase.
You state as a matter of fact the following:

"""The Turkish Cypriots have as much if not more right to be a major part of Cyprus heritage than the Greeks do. """

You have forgotten one important aspect. All Cypriots have a right to be major players in Cyprus , that is if we could wipe the "Motherland " bullshit that has clouded our vision for so long.

Constructive views are applauded , nonsense is derided.

[MR-from-NG]

There you go Piratis, a response from a much respected individual. Take Miltiades as an example and stop your monotonous nonsense.

Please note; no mention of the Ottomans. 3500 years, 200000 refugees blah blah blah. Enough already.

[DT.]

if you were half as close to a neutral view as miltiades is then you wouldn't be getting these responses from piratis.

You call Miltiades respected, do you think you conduct yourself in the same manner?

[MR-from-NG]

Never claimed to have. We are not in a popularity contest. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

Piratis is just like a stuck record, his posts are so predictable. Furthermore we all have different temperament. With me its like this. Call me a pig, I'll call you a c**t, kick me I'll hit you back with a baseball bat and hospitalise you. Treat me like a second-class citizen I'll treat you like s**t. Buy me a beer I'll buy you a crate of champagne. Different folks for different strokes.