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[Pyrpolizer]

@mrfromng

With all due respect but you are all swearing in this forum. With the exception of the single post your brother wrote us in this forum I learned nothing from you in here.
When I started swearing at you you didn’t like it so I stoped.
Why don’t you just do the same with others and concentrate on something more useful?

[Kikapu]

Birkibrisli,

Welcome back to the Forum. I thought you went into the "Australian Winter Hibernation" for a while.!!

Welcome back.

[MR-from-NG]

Horses for courses Pyrpolizer. And anyway we are not having a popularity contest here. The likes of Piratis, Kifeas deserve no better.

I'm not here to solve the Cyprus problem, none of us have that ability. I respond to the lies and denials of the GC's and this is getting all up your noses.

You conduct yourself in anyway you want, don't worry about the way I conduct myself. If this was a popularity contest I wouldn't be here.

OK sir?

[alexISS]

Truths and lies depend on which side of the fence you are at, all we have is opinions.

[Viewpoint]

Can somebody please explain to me why the Greek Cypriots are complaining. Lets be honest the Greeks treated the Turkish Cypriots like dogs for many years because they were a minority. The Turkish Cypriots have as much if not more right to be a major part of Cyprus heritage than the Greeks do.

Who do the Greeks actually think they are to just dismiss the Turkish Cypriots as though they are all just insignificant and have no say.

I think the British and the Greeks between them have caused the current climate of isolation of the North and the Turkish Cypriots. The British threw the Turkish Cypriots to the wolves ( ie the Greek Cypriots) and after many years of mistreatment and ethnic cleansing Turkey stepped in to save the Turkish Cypriots being wiped out by the Greek/ Greek Cypriots.

Just who the hell do you damn Greeks think you are...You are just bullies, people are sick of the propoganda, the facts are the facts...you are not getting your own way and you don't like it. I say good luck Turkish Cypriots, I hope you search your souls and give the people in the North a chance to have a happy life free from the vile shadow you have cast upon them for so long. Also can I say that it was a major mistake to allow the Republic of Cyprus into the EU before these issues were settled. Now the EU card will always be played by the Greek side, they are misusing their EU membership as they have misued their power for decades, the whole thing stinks worse since you got into the EU.

quality very brave post, you shoot from the hip and say it as it is Im sure you have rattled a few cages, well done.

[Viewpoint]

"quality", Greek Cypriots are the ones who are ethnically cleansed from their homeland of 3500 years.

I hope you do know that the now occupied part of Cyprus is the homeland of 200.000 GCs and less than 50.000 TCs. Those 200.000 GCs have been ethnically cleansed by the Turkish army in 1974.

The Greek Cypriots that you call the "wolves" and "bullies" are the ones who had to suffer under Ottoman rule for over 300 years, then were under the British for almost 100 more, and then Britain and Turkey (the good buddies) have arranged to exploit Greek Cypriots yet again in 1974.

During the 99% of our recent history since the Turks set their foot on our island, we are the ones who are oppressed and have our human rights violated, It is our country which is illegally occupied by the Turkish troops. It is our homes which are stolen.

The propagandist of your kind choose to forget the 99% of history, the 200.000 of our refugees, the 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriot victims (6.000 of which in 1974), the 100s of years of oppression and human rights violations against us that continue as we speak, and you are trying to present the TCs as the victims to give Turkey an excuse to continue her illegal occupation.

excuses excuses, what a hypocrite...

[Viewpoint]

mrfromng, the crap are your swearing since you apparently have nothing better to say.

Here is the truth as I posted it before, leaving nothing behind. If you disagree with any part tell me which and why.

First of all I have to make something very clear:

I believe that we should leave the past behind, we should forgive each other, stop all illegalities and move ahead with a united democratic country without racist discrimination's and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots.

Unfortunately I notice that there some people that insist on using a tiny and selective part of the past as an excuse for the continuation of illegalities and their demand for a "solution" that will be based on racist discrimination of people based on their ethnic background (which is something that exists in no democratic country in the world)

To those people Greek Cypriots deserved the violations of their human rights for the last 32 years and they deserve to be convicted for eternal violation of their human rights in a country that discriminates against them because of their race.

The fact is however that Turks in Cyprus have committed 100 times more crimes against Greek Cypriots than the other way around.

Greek Cypriots have been the majority on the island of Cyprus for 3000+ years. Their interaction with Turks starts in the 15th century, were the Turks attacked our island. This also answers the question "Who started it" for anybody that thinks that this is important:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

So now it is clear how the interaction of Turks with Greek Cypriots started in Cyprus, and the question "Who started it" is answered as well.

What followed were 300 years of Ottoman rule in Cyprus. During these 3 centuries Greek Cypriots were oppressed second category citizens. They had to pay multiple times the taxes of muslims and their testimony in courts was not accepted. Whenever they tried to revolt against their oppressors they were slaughtered.

So here we have a period were Turks were oppressing and killing Greeks in Cyprus. The result of this period was 300 years of oppression against GCs and 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots dead.

The next "round" of conflict between the two communities was at the end of the British rule in Cyprus, and then from 63 to 68. During this period extremists from both sides were committing crimes and atrocities.

This is the only period that TCs remember, but even here they remember only their own casualties and not the crimes that they had committed against GCs.

So this is a period were both sides had about an equal number of casualties, some 100s for each side.

Then in 1974 the illegal coupists overthrow our president and Turkey found the excuse to invade Cyprus. No TC was killed by the coupists before the invasion had started, but only after.
The result of the coup/invasion was 6000 GCs dead and 200.000 GCs ethnically cleansed. On the other side the TCs had only a couple of 100s of victims.

The next period is the 32 years of illegal occupation and insistence from Turkey to violate international law and human rights. This continues until today.

Conclusion:
1) The Turks "started it" in the 15th century
2) The Turks have committed much much more crimes against Greek Cypriots.
3) The Turks insist on their crimes today
4) Greek Cypriots have committed crimes as well, but only a tiny fraction of the crimes that the Turks have committed.

Still, Greek Cypriots are more than willing to put all these behind as long as we are not provoked by people that remember only the 1% of history that suits that in order to prove that Greek Cypriots are the evil people that deserve even more crimes against them.

Therefore I ask from people on this forum to either:

1) Leave the past behind. Do not try to excuse crimes and illegalities in 2006 with events that happened in the past. Concentrate on how we can find a solution that will respect all Cypriots equally without racist discriminations and human right violations.

Or, if doing (1) is impossible for you then at least:

2) If you believe that the past should be used to determine who is the "good" and who is the "bad" one and that this should be the basis of solving the Cyprus problem (instead of democracy, human rights and legality, that I propose) then at least use the whole history and not the tiny bits that suit you.

even more excuses, didnt the marriage start in 1960?or are you holding a revenge grudge for what my great great great great great grandfather did to yours?

[Viewpoint]

Never claimed to have. We are not in a popularity contest. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

Piratis is just like a stuck record, his posts are so predictable. Furthermore we all have different temperament. With me its like this. Call me a pig, I'll call you a c**t, kick me I'll hit you back with a baseball bat and hospitalise you. Treat me like a second-class citizen I'll treat you like s**t. Buy me a beer I'll buy you a crate of champagne. Different folks for different strokes.

brilliant post mrfromng, you have summed up the TC temprement so well

[Piratis]

Excuses for what? I am not the one who needs excuses. You are the ones who are acting criminally and illegally and you need excuses for your illegal actions.

I have posted a post with everything, without leaving anything behind about our history since the day Turks set their foot on our island until today. Do you disagree with any part? Was there anything untrue in it?

Isn't it true that during 99% of our history (including today) the Turks were the aggressors, and today they are trying to find excuses to continue in their usual aggressive way against us?

[Viewpoint]

Excuses for what? I am not the one who needs excuses. You are the ones who are acting criminally and illegally and you need excuses for your illegal actions.

I have posted a post with everything, without leaving anything behind about our history since the day Turks set their foot on our island until today. Do you disagree with any part? Was there anything untrue in it?

Isn't it true that during 99% of our history (including today) the Turks were the aggressors, and today they are trying to find excuses to continue in their usual aggressive way against us?

Wasn't 1960 the fresh start? the only time we had to rule ourselves as Cypriots? or were you harbouring hidden agendas and getting back as us for what the Ottomans did to ho so long ago, man you can bear a grudge for a very long time, makes me think what you will do for 1974 if we should be stupid enough to reunite.