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rights for Kurds, same as ‘what Turkey asks for TCs

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Postby pitsilos » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:49 pm

in any case i think you should enrol into their camp and offer them some of your expert advice. better still contract dektash out to them, he will organize them in no time. i say this with the outmost respect.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:04 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:All a matter of evolution the Kurds along with Turkey they too will develop and prosper if they contribute positively towards transforming Turkey into a more stable country where all its citizens are treated fairly and as equals and benefit from its economical progress.


They could offer much more if their own existence was aknowledged first. Anyway, your last post could be a post of a Greek Cypriot, if you replaced the word "Kurds" with "TCs" and "Turkey" with "Cyprus"


You are right of course it did cross my mind but the evolution process for us and for many peoples has been totally different and we have an internationally recognized partnership agreement and the UN trying to find a solution to our problems, if they can claim the same through their evolution then they have my full support. It could have turned out a lot worse for us if Turkey had not been on hand to assist we could have been 6ft under and long forgotten. The evolution process is very different for every group of people, community or nation.
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Postby Strahd » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:16 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Turks in the Thrace = Kurds in Turkey


There are not Turks in Thrace, they are Pomak Muslim minority with equal rights to any other Greek citizen and minority benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomaks
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Postby alexISS » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:19 pm

Actually Strahd, the muslim minority consists of Turks, Pomaks and Gypsies, and that is according to the Greek state. The sum of those minorities is indeed called muslim and there is no separation into "Turkish minority", "Pomak minority" or "Gypsy minority" but the people's origin is not denied
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Postby alexISS » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:26 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You are right of course it did cross my mind but the evolution process for us and for many peoples has been totally different and we have an internationally recognized partnership agreement and the UN trying to find a solution to our problems, if they can claim the same through their evolution then they have my full support. It could have turned out a lot worse for us if Turkey had not been on hand to assist we could have been 6ft under and long forgotten. The evolution process is very different for every group of people, community or nation.


That doesn't mean much to Kurdish children who cannot speak their mother tongue and live in tents. They CAN'T claim what you claim, now what? "Evolution"? Don't you mean "survival of the fittest" or "law of the jungle"? Anyone who claims to have suffered what you have should know better
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Postby EUropean666 » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:33 pm

alexISS wrote:Actually Strahd, the muslim minority consists of Turks, Pomaks and Gypsies, and that is according to the Greek state. The sum of those minorities is indeed called muslim and there is no separation into "Turkish minority", "Pomak minority" or "Gypsy minority" but the people's origin is not denied


actually they have more rights than us, they enter unis without exams, they dont pay taxes, they get funds to run businesses...
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Postby alexISS » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:37 pm

EUropean666 wrote:actually they have more rights than us, they enter unis without exams, they dont pay taxes, they get funds to run businesses...


True, and I think it's the right thing to do, minorities should be protected and preserved. Even if you look at it from a "nationalistic" point of view, it's in our best interest to keep the minority satisfied and happy rather than unhappy and protesting :wink:

Of course we could do what Turkey did to the Greek minority and deport them all overnight, but fortunately we are not Turkey...
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:50 pm

alexISS wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You are right of course it did cross my mind but the evolution process for us and for many peoples has been totally different and we have an internationally recognized partnership agreement and the UN trying to find a solution to our problems, if they can claim the same through their evolution then they have my full support. It could have turned out a lot worse for us if Turkey had not been on hand to assist we could have been 6ft under and long forgotten. The evolution process is very different for every group of people, community or nation.


That doesn't mean much to Kurdish children who cannot speak their mother tongue and live in tents. They CAN'T claim what you claim, now what? "Evolution"? Don't you mean "survival of the fittest" or "law of the jungle"? Anyone who claims to have suffered what you have should know better


They have to make the most of the situation like everyone and work with the Turkish Government so they can take their place in society just like the Turks in Thrace, the Pakistanis in the UK etc.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:51 pm

but not the priveledge TCs with their half a dozen pensions from turkey.
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Postby alexISS » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:54 pm

Viewpoint wrote:They have to make the most of the situation like everyone and work with the Turkish Government so they can take their place in society just like the Turks in Thrace, the Pakistanis in the UK etc.


Again, you should know better... what can you do when your existence is denied?!?
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