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[Viewpoint]

I know a few Greek Cypriots on this forum that have property in the North like depurple and Kifeas, will you now after the Aresti ruling apply to the property commission in the north? what do Greek Cypriots think about this and will they hold out for an overall solution like their administration is telling them to do? If many Greek Cypriots will never return to the north under a Turkish Cypriot administration then surely applying to the property commission for compensation and settlement of their property issue will be the only available option open to them.

What does everyone think will happen?

[theresa]

I think that the TRNC commission will be the 1st step - and only if the applicant is unhappy with the outcome will they be allowed to apply to the European court. I dont think many will though - I think it would be a very costly business if the EU court ruled that TRNC commission ruling was fair - and the GC applicant has to pay all the costs. There are 1400 current applications to the TRNC commission arent there? And all of these labelled traitor and facing possible prison sentences from their own government for applying to an "illegal" administration to redress their claims. If I were a GCyp I would petitition the goverment and definitely vote them out next election!! I cannot see that a return to former homes would be acceptable when the GCyps have made it plain that they dont want to live under TC administration, so I believe that the majority would sell up anyway - so why not take the compensation offered by the TRNC commission? Tess

[Viewpoint]

The problem is will the GC administration allow GCs to freely apply to the property commission there is a lot of scare mongering in the south that these people are traitors and not working the good of their national cause. Surely if a GC has property in the north, does not want to live there then his best option is to have the right to sell or even return of property to do as he wishes then surely this commission is just that a great opportunity to solve something which we have been unable to do politically.

[humanist]

Tess thank you for your view ..... however unlike the good old British who are told what to do and follow like lame sheep, the Cypriots have values and ethics and the right to return to their property. If as you put it is so simple then why not have all Turkish Cypriots currently occurying Greek Speaking Cypriot properties return them to the rightful owners and then what is the big deal? We can even have a beer to celebrate, how is that. How would you feel if I came over took your house and sent yu off to England. F..K the English are clueless who bloody lets them in the Country anyway.

[zan]

The problem is will the GC administration allow GCs to freely apply to the property commission there is a lot of scare mongering in the south that these people are traitors and not working the good of their national cause. Surely if a GC has property in the north, does not want to live there then his best option is to have the right to sell or even return of property to do as he wishes then surely this commission is just that a great opportunity to solve something which we have been unable to do politically.

They will do as they have always done VP, they will stop mass applications because that in turn will empower the TRNC and make it less of what they term as a pseudo organisation. They will allow a few to apply to make it seem that they are willing but also hope that it will win them hit points with every problem encountered.

[Pyrpolizer]

At this topic

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus8395.html

you said:

The ECHR ruled in favor of the property commission stating that it is a viable local remedy and that GCs should apply.

You never replied my question where in the decision of the ECHR you saw that.

Do I notice a degree of eagerness from you? Has Kifeas or any other GC ever given you the impression they are easy to fool?

[Viewpoint]

At this topic

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus8395.html

you said:

The ECHR ruled in favor of the property commission stating that it is a viable local remedy and that GCs should apply.

You never replied my question where in the decision of the ECHR you saw that.

Do I notice a degree of eagerness from you? Has Kifeas or any other GC ever given you the impression they are easy to fool?

Although the ruling is not clear cut it does indicate that they acknowledge and welcome the positive steps taken by Turkey with view to the property commission acting as an internal remedy with maybe a few changes or alterations. Why are so you against this type of solution when it is GCs who are pursuing compensation through the courts? Obviously they cannot solve the political problem but they are trying to create a mechanism whereby GCs may apply for compensation or even restitution if they wish to do so. Why do you not want to give your people this right?

[andri_cy]

If people want to get compensation for their properties, it is their right. As long as there are mechanisms in place to make sure that they are being compensated adequately. Of course that doesnt solve the Cyprus problem , but whatever will? I think I am kind of giving up on it...

[Viewpoint]

The mechanism will be the GC applicant, if they are not happy then they have recourse to the ECHR courts, 10 GCs have come away with either compensation or property so this cant that bad an option as some GCs want to make us believe.

[Pyrpolizer]

In other words Viewpoint you intentionally lied and you tried to mislead people. The part regarding the so called property commission established by the Government=Turkey in their occupied part of Cyprus called by the ECHR as "trnc" was nothing but a preliminary comment and not a part of the decision. It does not establish precedence , it does not establish definite ruling, it just establishes a preliminary comment.

This preliminary comment has to be judged separately in another case, if and when raised, and then be definitely rejected as easily as 1,2,3. If you have any doubts, you can wait and see. The main reason is because the so called property committee is unable to grant return of not even 1% of the properties as admitted by Serdar. No property committee will ever be acceptable by ECHR unless it can offer return of properties.Notice all cases judged so far by the ECHR simply re-affirmed ownership, in other words the property still belongs to Xenides and Loizidou, the money paid (wow,wow millions… ) are just for loss of use.


I explained you the reason why I am against selling. In case you forgot here it is once again:

MY PROPERTY, AND MY LANDS, WHICH MAKE WHAT I CALL MY COUNTRY, ARE NOT FOR SALE!