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[pitsilos]

VP I don't quite get your point. is the commission gonna start handing out payments for not able to use the land and a title that says its still your land?

and you consider this to be of a good move?

so why would anyone sell their land if they are getting money and still keep their land? and turkey is happy in paying all this money for nothing? and you fail to see this as PR gone horribly wrong? i am amazed.

i say the panickers lost out. they should have waited.

[Piratis]

It is not about proving that something is legal, it is about proving something is illegal Piratis can you do that? Time to shit or get off the pan on this one Piratis you are clutching at straws.

Mr. car dealer, did you manage to finish high school?

Ok, let me again try to explain it to you, if you don't understand it go complain to your mother, not to me.

A country has laws about how things should work. Republic of Cyprus has laws about property, about courts, about government institutions etc. Anything that exists beyond these laws is illegal. Or maybe you expected that RoC should say:
"TRNC" committee is illegal
Stupidstu committee is illegal
Piratis committee is illegal
Wonderland committee is illegal
....
??

If they are legal then let them show us the RoC documents that authorize them to perform such actions and decide for property instead of the official state institutions. If they don't have such authorization from RoC it means they are illegal. Even a small one person company is obligate to take licence to function, if it doesn't then it is illegal, there is no need for the government to come and say XYZ company is illegal.

I have now proven it and you have just admitted that this is not true. The ROC does not have final say on wether EU laws are implemented in the ROC they supersede any ROC laws. You insisted that the ROC has full control over the laws of her borders which is not the case as i have quite clearly pointed out.

RoC can tomorrow come out of EU and the laws of EU will stop having any effect on Cyprus. RoC wants the laws of EU in Cyprus. So RoC decides what laws aply to Cyprus and nobody else. And again: What EU has to do with ECHR?

You didn't answer the question. Is it because a GC policeman can not arrest someone in the North because they have no juristiction? Legally he can't thats why they can't. There is not 40000 troops on guard outside every GC refugees property. You are sounding rather silly now. It is not a question of legal ownership it is a point that you say

stupidstu, do you realize the extent of the crap that you say? The north part of Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkey and the 40.000 occupation troops exist there for the sole reason of illegally stopping RoC appling its laws over the north part of the country. How hard is this for you to understand?

[Pyrpolizer]

Just imagine Viewpoint a crazy Turk from Tabzon who does not even have money to pay for his ticket at a match hearing his government paid 1 million compensation for just a house which equals to 2000 brand new houses in his own village.

Do you think we will still be sleeping?





Come on VP show me some of your crying faces.

[Viewpoint]

Every case will be judged on its own merits but so far all the applicants have sold their land or gotten it back, no case has yet to say they just want compensation, these appplicants will probably be offered a sum so attractive that they cant refuse for the land itself. Its going to interesting to say the least.

[pitsilos]

especially if the commission is setup in Ankara with local TV crews making sure is plastered all over the place.

but what about the TCs? how would they react knowing for the house they are occupying, turkey paid 1 million and the title still belongs to the original owner. and all this with the blessing of turkey.

that wouldn't make me a happy camper.

[Pyrpolizer]

VP did you forget we are talking for the eventuality that may be, juuuust maybe the ECHR might decide it accepts that committee but wants it to be based INSIDE Turkey.

Come on VP, do us this favor. Next time one of our cases opens at ECHR tell Turkey to finalise this matter of the committee. I love talking with mainland Turks who consider you British bastards, who get rich on their back, so how much effort do you think I will need to spread the good news there in the heart of Turkey, and wake up the Turks?

[Pyrpolizer]

And what do the Turks do when they suddenly wake up VP? Do I recall they take some heads off?

[Viewpoint]

Really brings into play what the "RoC" will do, will they still insist on 6 months residency and 10 years in GCs courts as a remedy, the cirteria may just be levelled out, Gcs can come and live in the north for 6 months prior to making an application. How long did Lozidou and Aresti take to resolve 8 9 10 years.....we have some time on our side then

[stuballstu]

Pyrpolizer wrote

stuballstu wrote:
The ROC government is not in control of the north and therefore have no say whatsoever in the laws passed there.


So are you telling us that because the RoC has no control of whatever laws that pass in the occupied, then if tomorrow the "trnc" decides the Famagusta port is legal then tomorrow it can start exporting goods to the EU?

Turkey views Famagusta port as legal and exports and imports goods to the TRNC via there. As you know there is embargoes against TRNC which stops it from trading directly with the rest of the world (except Turkey) never mind the EU. How can anyone trade with an unrecognised country.

It is obvious that you you don’t really understand what the suspension of the EU Aquis at the occupied means. It doesn’t mean the RoC has no say. It means because she cannot apply her say, she is not responsible at the EU for whatever illegalities might occur there.

How is it obvious, please elaborate?

As far as EU is concerned there are many things in the occupied that have to pass through RoC’s approval to be legal. Do you know some? I do!

Is this an exam? To answer your question, there is a "green line" regulation which TC produced goods can be exported via the "free areas" to the EU. Examples of such goods are Potatoes, Citrus goods, Olives, Hellumi cheese, scrap metal. Anything which has been produced by TC's, originating from the TC area of administration and certified as being so by the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Congress. How did I do? A good brief summary? Did i pass?

[Pyrpolizer]

Turkey views Famagusta port as legal and exports and imports goods to the TRNC via there. As you know there is embargoes against TRNC which stops it from trading directly with the rest of the world (except Turkey) never mind the EU. How can anyone trade with an unrecognised country.

We are not talking about Turkey here, we are talking what the suspension of the EU Aquis in the occupied means in terms of RoC enforcing it’s law. You know very well you cannot export to the EU simply because the RoC does not accept an illegally occupied port of hers to do exports from illegally grabbed lands. You call it embargo? The fact is there is no state in the world who would not "embargo" all illegalities within it. For your information the major exports of Famagusta port after 1974 were stolen TVs, Refrigerators washing machines, furniture, household whatever. You were the largest exporter of these commodities in the whole world. Cyprus in 1974 was mainly exporting citrus, would you really expect to give you our approval when you grabbed by force almost 20 times more orchards that what you left behind?
You might think this was unfair, but then how about the multiple unfairness you imposed and still imposing on us.

To answer your question, there is a "green line" regulation which TC produced goods can be exported via the "free areas" to the EU. Examples of such goods are Potatoes, Citrus goods, Olives, Hellumi cheese, scrap metal. Anything which has been produced by TC's, originating from the TC area of administration and certified as being so by the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Congress. How did I do?

You forgot your passports that are absolutely necessary to get free education at European Universities, you forgot that the TC chamber of Commerce (commerce not congress lol) is actually authorised by RoC to do what you said, you forgot the aid for the TCs through the EU that once again needs RoCs approval as how is going to be used, you forgot the fact that you are Europeans thanks to RoC whereas the settlers are not. You don’t need to say thank you, just appreciate it and don’t throw every possitive step we take towards you (despite your own violation of our rights) in the dustbin. Of course you would be more happy if Roc would let you exploit all the illegalities against us, but sorry no state that respects ALL its citizens can do that.