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[EUropean666]

ECHR did not make such suggestions. In addition, you is going to pay? furthermore in the future the owners will ask their properties back since those are damages made from the turkish invasion, therefore the ownership remains to the real owner; not to the turkish occupators.

[Piratis]

The ECHR is a a court that judges cases of human rights violations, not a court that decides the legality or illegality of commissions.

Within the borders of RoC only RoC can decide what is legal and what is not. The "commission" in the occupied areas is illegal.

[Viewpoint]

In other words Viewpoint you intentionally lied and you tried to mislead people. The part regarding the so called property commission established by the Government=Turkey in their occupied part of Cyprus called by the ECHR as "trnc" was nothing but a preliminary comment and not a part of the decision. It does not establish precedence , it does not establish definite ruling, it just establishes a preliminary comment.

This preliminary comment has to be judged separately in another case, if and when raised, and then be definitely rejected as easily as 1,2,3. If you have any doubts, you can wait and see. The main reason is because the so called property committee is unable to grant return of not even 1% of the properties as admitted by Serdar. No property committee will ever be acceptable by ECHR unless it can offer return of properties.Notice all cases judged so far by the ECHR simply re-affirmed ownership, in other words the property still belongs to Xenides and Loizidou, the money paid (wow,wow millions… ) are just for loss of use.


I explained you the reason why I am against selling. In case you forgot here it is once again:

MY PROPERTY, AND MY LANDS, WHICH MAKE WHAT I CALL MY COUNTRY, ARE NOT FOR SALE!

You really need to take a chill pill, you can do what you want with you land if you have the ability and time, but the property commission (be it TRNC or Turkey, you are the only ones who seem to care about this point) will be judged on its actions, they have 70 more applications by GCs who obviously do not think like you, if they are satified like the previous 10 then the ECHR will see that there is a viable local remedy for settlement. If the property commission does not function correctly then you can always go back to the ECHR and wait around for them to sort out the problem.

[Viewpoint]

ECHR did not make such suggestions. In addition, you is going to pay? furthermore in the future the owners will ask their properties back since those are damages made from the turkish invasion, therefore the ownership remains to the real owner; not to the turkish occupators.

If you have not heard already,out of the 10 applications processed 3 have had their properties returned and 7 have taken compensation and therefore sold their property to the commission be it Turkey or the TRNC.

[stuballstu]

Piratis

with respect, what you have written is a complete load of nonsense on 2 points.

1 Turkey was asked to provide a mechanism for dealing with refugees property claims. To which they have appointed the TRNC as local sub ordinates to do so. The European courts can not officially recognise the TRNC.

2 Within the borders of the ROC I am afraid to tell you as an EU member state EU laws and directives take precedence over local laws. Welcome to the EU! As the EU acquitis is suspended in the north and the ROC government has no control over the administration in the north ROC laws do not apply there. The ROC government has no durastriction in the north.

The local property commision, once ratified, will deal with all property claims. The European courts will only get involved if there is a deadlock in a particular claim. They will not get involved in claims which have not been presented to the "local remedy" first.

[Piratis]

Not related to the topic directly (since their is nothing to discus about this illegal "commission") but we have to make clear one thing:

Property can be sold, rented, be expropriated by the legal government etc but it always stays within the country. Parts of the country and its sovereignty are NEVER given up to another country.

So Turkey should compensate our refugees for the 32 years it occupied their properties and violated their human rights, but by giving them this compensation Turkey doesn't buy the land from RoC.

It is as if you tell me that I can buy property in London, and then sell it to Iran, and then that property will not be part of the UK, it will not be under UK laws, but under the Iranian ones. This of course can not happen.

Therefore it should be made clear that our country is not for sale and that it will be liberated in one way or another regardless of the efforts of the Turks to Turkify the northern part of Cyprus.

[Piratis]

stuballstu, you are the one who is talking nonsense. EU and its laws are one thing, ECHR (not part of EU) is another. ECHR doesn't make laws, and it doesn't decide what is legal and what is not. It decides if human rights were violated in country.

So get your facts straight.

[elko]

Piratis wrote:

The ECHR is a a court that judges cases of human rights violations, not a court that decides the legality or illegality of commissions.

Within the borders of RoC only RoC can decide what is legal and what is not. The "commission" in the occupied areas is illegal.

So very naughty for ECHR to decide on the legality of the Commission. They should have consulted HIS HIGHNESS Piratis first.


Actually I am very worried if many GCs apply to the Commission. Where is the money coming from? As long as Papadop is there and as long as GCs do not go through a metamorphosis and drop their fanaticisms, there is no fear I suppose.
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[Piratis]

So very naughty for ECHR to decide on the legality of the Commission.

Can you please show me were the ECHR said that this "commision" is legal? You are making things up, as usual.

[Viewpoint]

Not related to the topic directly (since their is nothing to discus about this illegal "commission") but we have to make clear one thing:

Property can be sold, rented, be expropriated by the legal government etc but it always stays within the country. Parts of the country and its sovereignty are NEVER given up to another country.

So Turkey should compensate our refugees for the 32 years it occupied their properties and violated their human rights, but by giving them this compensation Turkey doesn't buy the land from RoC.

It is as if you tell me that I can buy property in London, and then sell it to Iran, and then that property will not be part of the UK, it will not be under UK laws, but under the Iranian ones. This of course can not happen.

Therefore it should be made clear that our country is not for sale and that it will be liberated in one way or another regardless of the efforts of the Turks to Turkify the northern part of Cyprus.

Dont GCs with property in the north have the right to sell it to whom they want? Then if they can sell it to Turks, TCs or Brits why are you so bothered? Maybe its beacuse you fear the land distribution increasing towards the north? asmany Gcs will take the money and run rather than have anything to do with the TRNC.