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[Bananiot]

"In life, there are no solutions, only options" but, the patriotic voices of the forum surely have no time for philosophy. They'd rather wait for the "balance of power to change in our favour". Piratis, the loudest of all, has in essence called the great Venizelos a traitor, because he signed away Smirni etc. Venizelos even had the audacity to sign an agreement of friendship and non aggresion with Turkey's Ataturk, the murderer of Greeks.

Basically I am fed up with these people. The proteges of these cyber tigers have done enough damage to Cyprus. papadopoulos has been in the thick of it since day one, back in 1955. Denktash the same. These people have found supporters (morons) in both communities and together they have ruined our country.

[zan]

his claim (and the UN later acked it up) was that the tonnes and tonnes of paperwork he forklifted to the UN everyday were simply ignored. He had views on Karpasia that were ignored, he had views on the 12 or 11 list document of turkey that was fully embedied in the agreement. There was basically an attempt to make sure turkey agreed and the rest of the world were counting on what clerides promised which was a unconditional agreement from the greeks.

He sent paper work

You trust a man that sent paper work to the EU. Why did he not ask for eye to eye negotiations with all the parties concerned? Why did he not demand it? Representative of the whole of Cyprus my arse. Again like Makarios he let down a large minority by playing politics with our lives, and why forklift truck loads? Was it to tie up the EU with paper work so that there was no chance that the EU could wade through the lot and even less chance of acting upon it, and he wants our support as Cypriots PAH!

[Piratis]

Bananiot, what is your alternative?

For me the Annan plan is worst than the current status. Annan plan is a disguised partition that would lead to official partition, but only after we went broke. So what is your alternative? You only know how to accuse others but you have no answers. Vassiliou and Cleredes were presidents for 15 years. What did they achieve better than Papadopoulos? To bring a plan that was unacceptable to the majority of Greek Cypriots? We didn't need them for that, as we could have simply asked Turkey to give us the "solution" they wanted. Whats so hard with bending over and capitulating?

At least Papadolous is fighting for our rights and thats why we like him. Those that were trying to sell off our country by promising one thing and doing another behind our back are gone forever.

Bananiot, in the past you said you would prefer Cyprus to be a British colony. You consider Cyprus to be Banana Republic, and most Cypriots to be morons. I also got the impression that you would rather live in the UK than Cyprus. If I remember correctly you also said that you own land in Famagusta, which was part of that 7% that would be returned with the Annan plan. Please tell me if I got anything wrong about you.

Sorry Bananiot, but we love Cyprus and we are the ones who will live here. Sorry if we ruined your dream and now you are not living in a luxury apartment in London, having sold your property in Cyprus and forgotten everything about this "crappy island full of morons". However please understand that we don't feel the same like you about Cyprus and we want ourselves and our children to grow up in a democratic European country were human rights are respected.

Since we talked about Banana Republic (from where your nickname comes from) if you consider current RoC as Banana Republic, then tell me your opinion about what kind of Republic the Annan plan would create, with the 23 parliaments, the 6 presidents and the legalization of human rights violations and racist discriminations. Oh, I forgot, you wouldn't have to live in that Banana Republic since you would be 1000s of miles away.

[Piratis]

Zan, Papadopoulos asked for many things, the Turks were not accepting them. In the end Annan did the infamous "fill in the blanks" for everything that was not agreed, which by "coincidence" was done 99% in favor of Turkey. Therefore you accepted the resulting partition plan (since it was the realization of your dream) and we rejected it. Very simple.

The Annan plan was rushed just before Cyprus would enter the EU and its aim was to close (not solve) the Cyprus problem so Turkey would not have this issue in her EU accession process.

[Pyrpolizer]

In life, there are no solutions, only options

Solutions=hit correctly a sequence of options.=Characteristic of people who can see beyond their noses.
Only only option=charactrestic of roten Bananas

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan,

Hypothetically lets suppose the GCs had no other option than to accept the Anan Plan.
Would you like to live in a country where the majority would be looking at you with contempt?
I guarantee you this is how the TCs would be looked by the GCs.

And lets suppose this new state would not allow you the option for final partition. Do you think the smaller component state would ever prosper given the contemp of the people of the other bigger component state.

A state my friend is not only Government. A state is by far and most private institutions and private enterprises.
Think about it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just to give you some hint:contempt is worse than the killings of the 60s.
Just go in the states and see for yourself what contempt means towards the blacks. We are not talking for descremination, we are talking for your everyday feelings.

[MR-from-NG]

Sort of, like, you know, like things today and in the past for us.

[StuartN]

This is surely where Piratis makes an entrance to talk about the neanderthals post ice age and the oppression of the GC's in medieval times?

[Pyrpolizer]

My point mrfromng is that there cannot be a solution where either of the 2 communities loses too much in favor of the other. If the GC feels the TC is losing as much as he did then on the average the state will prosper and both communities will move forward successfully.

Now take the complete opposite case. Imagine the GCs take everything and totally capitulate the TCs. The Gcs would face the contempt and hate of the minority (just as what happens in the States) the minority would develop only in business of crime, and rote the majority from down up.

See in either case the result is catastrophic.

Here both communities suffered and learned their lessons.With a balanced solution (even bitter for all of us) we will move forward. With an un-balanced solution we will have more problems even if w that is in favor of the TCs or in favor of the GCs.