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[andri_cy]

Lord of the rings was a great movie. Keep it out of your little rivalries it deserves better

[Pyrpolizer]

Within the more patriotic fractions in the Greek Cypriot society, the word "turk" is synonymous to a dirty word. If you want to defame or mock someone, you only have to call him a turk. Of course, the cretins still talk about turkishness and greekness but this is the 21st century and the train is whistling past us.

Similarly the word "Greek" is synonymous to dog among the TC ultra-nationalists. Should any TC align himself 100% against his own people and force even the moderates of his own race call him a "greek dog" to earn the sympathy of the GCs like you do all the time?
I told you many times I really pitty you. You are such a weak person….

You never confronted directly not even one TC in this forum, you are even afraid to confront the GCs and when you are forced to, you always hide yourself behind ambigous language. …

Go Bananiot, make us a demonstration in this very thread asap.

[pitsilos]

@skipper

i will make it simple for you skipper.
where do you think the population growth will come from in Turkey? from the turks or the kurds? my money is on the kurds. and yours?
and if its from the kurds are you hoping they have a short memory?

@bananiot
good reply bananiot, switch subjects.
i don't really care much about your interpretation of what turks mean. to me it means you come from turkey, so you trying to switch your argument to another front is ludicrous.
the turkishness was a joke in responce to your ridiculous claim as to what I said and it seems it just went right over your head.

just for the record bananiot, I am a cypriot first and a greek second, if it makes sence to you.

ps the word turks means people that come from turkey and its not in anyway a deregatory term, as bananiot tried to implied.

I think you have been watching Lord of the Rings too much and seeing to many spooks. Poor little Turkey...............

you might be right la la zan

[Bananiot]

Pitsillos wrote

in 30-50 years turks will be begging for an annan plan. the turks will simply get outnumbered by that time, by the the kurds.

the population growth of turkey will come from the kurds.

Pitsillos, you expect people to take you seriously when you write such things?

Piratis wrote

Therefore I repeat: What we should do is to harm our enemies as much as possible for the crime they committed against us and be ready for when the balance of power will allow for the liberation of our country. This is the only option we have, as everything else currently available is nothing more than suicide for us.

Of course, the above is the epitomy of lunacy. In effect, Piratis is telling Turkey to sit tight and wait for the balance of power to change in our favour and then we will attack and liberate the north.

Or is he? May be he is calling Turkey for a pre-emptive attack in order to eliminate any dangers in the future.

Pyrpolyser wrote

You never confronted directly not even one TC in this forum, you are even afraid to confront the GCs and when you are forced to, you always hide yourself behind ambigous language. …

Christ, my name and my place of birth was quoted in this forum and you call me a coward? How about you revealing your id?

[pitsilos]

Pitsillos wrote

in 30-50 years turks will be begging for an annan plan. the turks will simply get outnumbered by that time, by the the kurds.

the population growth of turkey will come from the kurds.

Pitsillos, you expect people to take you seriously when you write such things?

Piratis wrote

Therefore I repeat: What we should do is to harm our enemies as much as possible for the crime they committed against us and be ready for when the balance of power will allow for the liberation of our country. This is the only option we have, as everything else currently available is nothing more than suicide for us.

Of course, the above is the epitomy of lunacy. In effect, Piratis is telling Turkey to sit tight and wait for the balance of power to change in our favour and then we will attack and liberate the north.

Or is he? May be he is calling Turkey for a pre-emptive attack in order to eliminate any dangers in the future.

Pyrpolyser wrote

You never confronted directly not even one TC in this forum, you are even afraid to confront the GCs and when you are forced to, you always hide yourself behind ambigous language. …

Christ, my name and my place of birth was quoted in this forum and you call me a coward? How about you revealing your id?

ridiculous? really?

bananiot, kurds have atleast a dozen kids per family. i am afraid this is the norm. now today we have about 20 million kurds in turkey.

now before you call my claims ridiculous, are you familar with the art of conservative maths?

i still stand by the claim that the population growth in turkey will come from the kurds. and it won't be long before they start remembering all the shit.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8450

maybe you should offer your services. what do you say?

[Pyrpolizer]

You never confronted directly not even one TC in this forum, you are even afraid to confront the GCs and when you are forced to, you always hide yourself behind ambigous language.

Christ, my name and my place of birth was quoted in this forum and you call me a coward? How about you revealing your id?

You are an expert in ambiguity Bananiot, how could I ever compete with you? Now try confronting the views of a TC in this forum.

[Pyrpolizer]

And by the way could you just tell me where I called you a coward? I said you are a weak person, and I stand by my accusation.
I am curious to check your real name, so where exactly did you reveal it in this forum?
I bet you gave a faque one.

[skipper]

@skipper
i will make it simple for you skipper.
where do you think the population growth will come from in Turkey? from the turks or the kurds? my money is on the kurds. and yours?
and if its from the kurds are you hoping they have a short memory?

And I'ill make it simple for you, I never said the number of Kurds would n't increase, I'm asking you to give me the references backing up your claim that in 30-50 years they will become the majority. Not all population growth is provided by the Kurds even now, the Kurds reproductive rate is following the trend of Turks plus taking into account intermarriages your claims seem unlikely, but please like I said give me your references and prove me wrong.

[pitsilos]

ok skipper here you go

Would the solution be a disaster? (2)
Thursday, November 24, 2005

According to a pessimistic scenario on incidents in the Southeast, Turkey is faced with a situation reminiscent of the tragedy it suffered in the Balkans in 1913. What is at stake is the outbreak of inter-ethnic clashes, which is the goal of the PKK-DTP. Such clashes would increasingly destroy chances for living together in harmony.

Gündüz AKTAN
According to a pessimistic scenario on incidents in the Southeast, Turkey is faced with a situation reminiscent of the tragedy it suffered in the Balkans in 1913. What is at stake is the outbreak of inter-ethnic clashes, which is the goal of the PKK-DTP. Such clashes would increasingly destroy chances for living together in harmony.

How has the situation reached this point?

After the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) was defeated in 1999, the government, theoretically, could have launched an economic development campaign in the region. In reality, Turkey had plunged into a serious economic crisis that didn't allow it to make the required public expenditures, in any case. Besides, it was hard, even impossible, to rebuild the infrastructure of an area ravaged by 15 years of terrorism, mobilize people who had lost their motivation to work and attract investments to the impoverished region. Businessmen from the Southeast had no intention of returning to the region and making investments there. By the way, they still do not entertain any such notion.

Turkey is establishing macroeconomic balances with difficulty, through neo-liberal policies. These policies do not even give priority to addressing nationwide problems, let alone aiming to minimize regional economic differences. And it is quite doubtful that much foreign direct investment (FDI), which is expected to join the loop during the EU membership process, would find its way to the region.

Fifteen years of PKK terrorism has for decades pushed back the process of integrating the region into the mainstream overall Turkish economy. The same can be said for social integration as well. Because many schools have remained closed, there has been wider use of Kurdish dialects, impeding the spread of the Turkish language. The defeat of the PKK has deepened an inward-looking, depressive kind of ethnic nationalism. The poverty of the displaced masses of people has come to be perceived as a sign of Ankara's indifference to local problems. The list of grievances could go on and on.

In reality, the main problem is that the region has a population growth rate several times higher than in overall Turkey. This is partly due to the PKK's politically motivated policy of promoting procreation. The women of the region have an inferior status, probably not comparable to any other group of women in the world, and, in this context, there is widespread polygamy. These factors contribute to the region's record population growth rate. It has been calculated that at the current rate, the ethnic Kurdish population in the East and Southeast will equal the population in the rest of the country by the year 2025. More optimistic estimates indicate the Kurds will reach that target by 2035. The PKK's settlement policy of targeting access to the Mediterranean coastline has to be evaluated in this perspective.

There is no short-run solution to the unemployment of a young population that is growing at a high rate and was not schooled adequately for a period of 15 years. Furthermore, studies conducted in the West have shown that youngsters who grow up in polygamous families are more inclined to engage in terrorism, thus creating an explosive cocktail.

Kurdish independence in Iraq bolsters the Kurds' desire for independence, with the exception of many of those Kurds who live in the western parts of Turkey. In Iraq, by subjecting the ethnic Turkmens and Arabs to ethnic cleansing in Kirkuk, the federated Iraqi Kurdish administration is conveniently obtaining the financing required to set up a state. Meanwhile, our licit and illicit trade with Iraq indirectly supports Kurdish independence. Thus, for the Kurds, setting up an independent state in Iraq in the short run is becoming a more attractive option than the long-term goal of Turkey's EU membership.

The Kurds' belief that the United States and the EU are supporting them on the path to independence is growing. One gets the impression that the United States is deliberately protecting the PKK in Iraq and that the EU not only accepts the mayors in southeastern Turkey as the PKK's interlocutor but also expects Turkey to do the same, while asking Turkey to abolish the village guard system. There is growing conviction to the effect that the EU membership process would prevent Turkey from waging the kind of struggle similar to the one waged during 15 years of PKK terrorism; that International Criminal Court (ICC) practices would hamper an effective fight against terrorism even though Turkey is not party to the ICC.

Additionally, in the fight against PKK terrorism, a group of Turkish liberal intellectuals have embraced the mentality of certain EU circles despite the terrible historic responsibility that entails. They have thus dealt a fatal blow to even a moderate form of Turkish nationalism commensurate to their own identity crisis. They keep criticizing Kemalism as something of an anachronism. All this seems to have eroded the moral force behind the fight we have to put up in order to preserve the country's integrity. Loyalty to the country of politicians of Kurdish origin also seems to be waning.

Under these circumstances, the specter of a solution of a disastrous nature is increasingly becoming evident.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=28981

[pitsilos]

bananiot i hope you are also reading this.