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[Kifeas]

Sotos is very right.

Bananiot thinks that being a GC moderate means to adopt the position of the TC extremists. That or he just wants to harm Greek Cypriots as whole for some unknown to us reason.

Whether Bananiot says anything negative against the TURKS or the TC's, does it make what he says about the actions of what the GC's done in the past, any less truthful.

The truth can not be said in halves. Imagine somebody saying the "truth" about WWII talking only about the victims of the Nazis and the atrocities of the allies against them. It could be all true facts, the Germans lost millions, but would that person saying the truth when he would intentionally say half of the truth to mislead people to the wrong conclusion? Sorry, thats not called truth, it is called propaganda, and Bananiot is full of Turkish propaganda and very little beyond that.

What is worst, not only he is saying half truths, but outright lies as well. The collaborators or Grivas and Samson and EOKA-B were not Papadopoulos or Lyssarides(!!!!). It was people that are now harbored in DISY like Karras and Pourgourides. Hell, even the son of Samson is now a parliament member with DISY http://www.parliament.cy/parliamenteng/ ... ampson.htm

Samson and Grivas were against Makarios and wanted him dead. This is why they collaborated with the coupists of Greece to overthrow and kill Makarios. Papadopoulos and Lyssarides were on Makarios side, not on the side of Samson, Grivas and EOKA-B. Today the mentality of Samson, Grivas etc is still harbored among some in DISY. Go to a DISY gathering, or to game of a right wing team (APOEL, Anorthosis etc) and there you will see many many Greek flags and almost no Cypriot ones. These are the people that the alliance of the center-left parties defeated, but for some reason Bananiot wants DISY back in power.

Bananiot doesn't care about the truth, he just wants to harm Cyprus in general and the governing parties in particular, and he decided that adopting the Turkish propaganda would help him to do so.

And since we are talking about Cyprus politics, one more thing has to be made clear: Center-right Papadopolous, is not the favorite of Greek Cypriots. His party received less than 18% last elections, and it was a 14% party when Papadopoulos was elected. However AKEL, the Socialists, and the Greens, choose to cooperate with DIKO (Papadopoulos party) because the alternative was to have DISY and the EOKA-B boys ruling us again, and that is a no-no. This is why Bananiot and everybody should know that no matter how much they lie the governing parties will stay at their position and DISY will never see power again.

Not only the above is an undeniable fact, but I will go even further and say that in the same way a fraction of Eoka B’ fanatics that could not manage to win popular vote before 1974, had engaged themselves in anti-Makarios propaganda with empty slogans and slanders, and in the end they decided -with the backing of foreign governments- to overthrow him with a military coup and eventually destroy Cyprus and give half of it to Turkey as a gift; we now have a parallel fraction of fanatics that equally did not manage to win popular vote, to engage themselves in anti-Papadopoulos propaganda with empty slogans, slanders and (political this time) coup attempts aiming at overthrowing him -again with the help of foreign governments- so that they will complete the work of their Eoka B’ “companion travellers” in handing over the rest of Cyprus to Turkey.

Will we let history repeat itself?

[Bananiot]

This is just a shallow explanation of a very complex problem that started in 1955. A boy-scout explanation of the good guys (Makarios) and the bad guys (EOKA B) who fought each other and gave an opportunity to a third party to win all.

Reading between the lines of what Kifeas wrote one can easily see that the look out for black sheep is already on, as the takticism and opportunist policy of our rejectionist President is crumpling under the weight of international pressure that resulted from his unthinkable and undiplomatic approaches.

Its all very well to appease the bananiots that all went well in Brussels last Monday. The reality however is much harsher and you cannot wipe it under the carpet. I for one will never be taken for a ride by the likes of our apprentice Foreign Minister Lilikas and his master. What happened on Monday is that basically we accepted, for the first time, that the TC community is under isolation. Until Monday we could blame the isolation on Turkey (invasion etc) but now we are in the thick of it and we are called upon to swimm. In January, Brussels will start debating the isolation of the north issue. Our clever government had to choose between two bad scenarios. It chose to dump the worst (of its liking). The worst was the call for a serious effort to be made to find a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus issue in 2007. Our government knows very well that if it agreed to this call it would have to make do with a better, at the most, Annan Plan. So, it chose the lesser evil. To debate the isolation issue which it rejected when it first came out in April 2004, a couple of days after our loud no. In January, the debate would be an issue between the RoC and the EE. Until then, all debates were issues involving the EU and Turkey. Thus, FIR issues and other stupid legal issues may not be enough to keep the airplanes from landing at Tymbou in the not so distant future.

Now, we are looking for scapegoats. We need to find people to blame for our failed policies. No doubt, they will find them, but I have a nagging suspision that fascist practices will not appeal much to the general public once it is made clear to them how catastrophic Papadopoulos and his lackies have been for Cyprus.

[Piratis]

Now, we are looking for scapegoats. We need to find people to blame for our failed policies.

That is what EOKA B said as well. Kifeas is very right on this. A bunch of idiots and traitors ignore democracy, and are trying to enforce their minority opinion with the help of outsiders.

Your efforts to assist Turkey in order to "punish" us for not doing what you demanded are disgusting.

[Bananiot]

My efforts? You are so funny! Your President has done wonders by himself. He has managed in record time to take Turkey off the ropes and place us in the corner, standing accused by everyone that has ever got involved in the solution process, including Greece. You can claim you have been misguided, but this is no excuse, really.

[Issy1956]

Bananiot,
It gives me no pleasure as a TC to agree with your analysis that the policies followed by your president is leading us to cement partition. Having read your previous posts I respect your views and I would like to ask your opinion as to if you think that partition has now become inevitable or can the Cypriots of both sides score a golden goal and achieve a lasting, just solution within a united Cyprus. I would like to think so but I sense that the TC's are cooling to the idea and that the GC have been so put off by the demonisation of the Annan plan which every sane person must know will have to form the basis of any solution. Is it all too late now?

[Bananiot]

My heart cries out my friend for a lasting and permanent solution that will unite our two communities in peace and harmony. It is now my firm belief that barring a major miracle partition is unavoidable.

[Pyrpolizer]

Nonsense. What is actually unavoidable is re-unification.
Partition already survived for 32 years. Nobody likes it.

[Pyrpolizer]

To the TC people in here who believe in re-unification. (OK I already know the vast majority here are partitionists) nevertheless:

We did not have to pass through the Anan Plan in our way to a solution.
But since we did, we must be wise enough to learn both the good lessons and the bad lessons from that experience. The good lesson is that no community can lose more than the other.
The bad lesson, is any finalised plan or at least 90% of it must be a product of agreement between our leaders, not a product of agreement between some outsiders.

[Kifeas]

Bananiot,
It gives me no pleasure as a TC to agree with your analysis that the policies followed by your president is leading us to cement partition. Having read your previous posts I respect your views and I would like to ask your opinion as to if you think that partition has now become inevitable or can the Cypriots of both sides score a golden goal and achieve a lasting, just solution within a united Cyprus. I would like to think so but I sense that the TC's are cooling to the idea and that the GC have been so put off by the demonisation of the Annan plan which every sane person must know will have to form the basis of any solution. Is it all too late now?

Issy, who says that every sane person must know that the Annan plan will have to form the basis of any solution? Where do you base such a claim /slogan that an illogical and unfair for the Greek Cypriots plan should form the basis of any solution? Is it because some foreigners (Anglo-Americans) that want to get reed of the Cyprus problem as quickly as possible - in favour of Turkey's and the TC elite’s irredentist aspirations and red lines- say so?

Where did you find fairness, logic and balance in this plan, to claim that it must form the basis of any solution? Please tell me?

Let’s start with the first question. Why your community must become the permanent owners of 29% of Cyprus, if you are only the 18% (even less now) and you have only the 17.5% of land ownership?

[Pyrpolizer]

I think it's because UN ideas seem to be persistent. However let's not forget the UN has put forward many ideas so far (set of ideas of Galli, the 7 points and all that stuff to which our side agreed only once and the Tc side agreed only one the last one which as we all know was the Anan Plan. Out of the 7-8 plans sumbitted so far by the UN there is not even one on which both communities agreed.

Imo ANY new proposal sumbitted by the UN will be rejected by one of the 2 sides.

So the only chance to get a solution is to agree something between ourselves. Very difficult I agree, but yet this is the only chance.