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[Sotos]

In fact the percentage of media that supported the Annan plan was disproportionately large. If we were not bombed with threats day and night about what would happen to us if we dare to say no to this partition plan, the rejection would have been much larger.

Larger or smaller?

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[Viewpoint]

I will not go anywhere, read and digest, why is it that GCs like Piratis always tell us to go back to Turkey and we never do this by saying you back to Greece? why is it that we feel they have just as much right to be here as we do, even if we cannot share the island as one, we always argue Taksim where they to have a share but they argue getting rid of us all together via annihilation or sending us to Turkey.

The TRNC is my home not Turkey.

He told you to go back to Turkey because you ask for Taksim. If you don't ask for taksim we will not tell you to go to Turkey Deal?

But we promote sharing the island, leveling out the benefits and disadvantagesi you promote getting rid of us which is nothing new.

[Pyrpolizer]

I remember all the TV stations in Cyprus were alligned against the Annan plan, magnifying all its shortcomings and hiding the positives. The public opinion was constantly bombarded with warnings of an upcoming destruction.

You are wrong Alex. In each and every TV discussion show there was ALWAYS an equal number of yes and no supporters. And we don’t mean weak unimportant people from either side having no idea. We talk for the highest possible names in Cypriot society, top ranking lawyers etc.

Simply it turned out the yes supporters had no arguments, or they had less arguments. An independent viewer would see the yes supporters literally torn apart

As to the polls you saw in Greece you have to specify the exact date. If we talk for early 2004 most people did not believe there would be any developments so the vast majority had no idea about the Anan Plan. So pollos done during that period were meaningless.

Valid polls were the ones made during the last 1-2 months before the referendum. During that period I would not count much the opinion of the mainland Greeks as very very few of them really cared or concerned about this matter.
Not even your newly elected prime Minister Karamanlis and Co American Slaves incorporated really cared for whatever would happen in Cyprus.
For your information he was heard crying to his colleaques inside the taxi driving him from the hotel "why the hell did they bring me here, what do I have to do about this?" Tell me now you never heard that what he was actually doing all day was playing tavli at the hotel?

NB. Happy sell out of your Country to the Americans my friend. Your Dora excells

[Sotos]

I will not go anywhere, read and digest, why is it that GCs like Piratis always tell us to go back to Turkey and we never do this by saying you back to Greece? why is it that we feel they have just as much right to be here as we do, even if we cannot share the island as one, we always argue Taksim where they to have a share but they argue getting rid of us all together via annihilation or sending us to Turkey.

The TRNC is my home not Turkey.

He told you to go back to Turkey because you ask for Taksim. If you don't ask for taksim we will not tell you to go to Turkey Deal?

But we promote sharing the island, leveling out the benefits and disadvantagesi you promote getting rid of us which is nothing new.

You promote partition. We want to get rid those that want to take our land. Our reaction is natural. Who wants his country occupied?

[Viewpoint]

But its our country as well, what you are trying to do is force a marriage on your own terms, we have tried that before and divorce appears to work better than marriage.

[DT.]

But its our country as well, what you are trying to do is force a marriage on your own terms, we have tried that before and divorce appears to work better than marriage.

you are such a broken record....

[Bananiot]

I would like to repeat something that I said earlier. "In real life there are no solutions. Only options". In April 2004 we had the option to solve our problem using the AP as a vehicle, with all its failings and complexities, or to wait, for a better, so called European solution. The President called upon the Greek Cypriots to wait for better days that were coming. He reminded us that within a week we would be full members of the EU and then we would be able to bargain for a far better plan. It was a powerful argument. He was selling hope to his people and the voters fell for it. What amazes me is that very few people are questioning him as to where this European solution is. It is now plain obvious that the so called European solution never was or is a realistic option. Some of us have been taken for a ride, and we enjoyed it.

What options lay in front of us now? Again, it will have to be a solution based more or less on the AP or partition. Waiting for better days to come is as good as partition so please Piratis stop wasting our time with your wishfull thinking. The tragedy of Cyprus, in my opinion, is that people are not afraid of partition any more. There were times when partition was a swear word. Nowadays, an increasing number of people actively support it as the only solution possible. These people tend to go round the treachery by pondering on the possibility of a natural disaster happening in Turkey that would lead to the liberation of the north. They are simply kidding themselves into becoming further encroached into the partition mindset.

The greatest achievement of Papadopoulos and his government is that he has managed to create a huge trend in favour of partition within the Greek Cypriot community. This moronic attitude simply sees the justification of everything R. Denktash has been saying over the last 33 years or so. No wonder S. Denktash was so grateful towards Papadopoulos before the referendum. We have similar ideas, he said gleeming with delight, after meeting him secretly in his house, a couple of weeks before the referendum. When Talat took Christofias aside in Switzerland and whispered in his year "what are you doing, is it true that you will reject the peace effort" Christofias answered. "Are you crazy comprade, of course we will support the plan"!

Thus my friends, we have managed to alienate the progressive and peace-loving Turkish Cypriots that took in thousands to the streets in 2003. We let them down badly. We played with their sencere feelings for peace , unification and prosperity for all Cypriots. Yet, I read in todays Turkish Cypriot papers that "Volkan" attacks Akinci and basically tells him exactly what Piratis and the rest of the partriotic voices of the forum write about me, in reverse.

[DT.]

I would like to repeat something that I said earlier. "In real life there are no solutions. Only options". In April 2004 we had the option to solve our problem using the AP as a vehicle, with all its failings and complexities, or to wait, for a better, so called European solution. The President called upon the Greek Cypriots to wait for better days that were coming. He reminded us that within a week we would be full members of the EU and then we would be able to bargain for a far better plan. It was a powerful argument. He was selling hope to his people and the voters fell for it. What amazes me is that very few people are questioning him as to where this European solution is. It is now plain obvious that the so called European solution never was or is a realistic option. Some of us have been taken for a ride, and we enjoyed it.

What options lay in front of us now? Again, it will have to be a solution based more or less on the AP or partition. Waiting for better days to come is as good as partition so please Piratis stop wasting our time with your wishfull thinking. The tragedy of Cyprus, in my opinion, is that people are not afraid of partition any more. There were times when partition was a swear word. Nowadays, an increasing number of people actively support it as the only solution possible. These people tend to go round the treachery by pondering on the possibility of a natural disaster happening in Turkey that would lead to the liberation of the north. They are simply kidding themselves into becoming further encroached into the partition mindset.

The greatest achievement of Papadopoulos and his government is that he has managed to create a huge trend in favour of partition within the Greek Cypriot community. This moronic attitude simply sees the justification of everything R. Denktash has been saying over the last 33 years or so. No wonder S. Denktash was so grateful towards Papadopoulos before the referendum. We have similar ideas, he said gleeming with delight, after meeting him secretly in his house, a couple of weeks before the referendum. When Talat took Christofias aside in Switzerland and whispered in his year "what are you doing, is it true that you will reject the peace effort" Christofias answered. "Are you crazy comprade, of course we will support the plan"!

Thus my friends, we have managed to alienate the progressive and peace-loving Turkish Cypriots that took in thousands to the streets in 2003. We let them down badly. We played with their sencere feelings for peace , unification and prosperity for all Cypriots. Yet, I read in todays Turkish Cypriot papers that "Volkan" attacks Akinci and basically tells him exactly what Piratis and the rest of the partriotic voices of the forum write about me, in reverse.

FIrstly don't flatter yourself Bananiot, you are no Akinci. He is a respected politician and you are a forum member with a siily name right now.

Secondly, I wonder f the progressive and peace loving TC's with which we played with their sincere feelings would have still voted for the AP had it been tilted to our favour as much as it is in their favour now.

[Bananiot]

FIrstly don't flatter yourself Bananiot, you are no Akinci. He is a respected politician and you are a forum member with a siily name right now.

Fair comment but you haven't the faintest of my relation with Mustafa, despite my silly name.

Secondly, I wonder f the progressive and peace loving TC's with which we played with their sincere feelings would have still voted for the AP had it been tilted to our favour as much as it is in their favour now.

That is for them to answer. I am sure Akinci will be more than pleased to give you a square answer.

[DT.]

FIrstly don't flatter yourself Bananiot, you are no Akinci. He is a respected politician and you are a forum member with a siily name right now.

Fair comment but you haven't the faintest of my relation with Mustafa, despite my silly name.

Secondly, I wonder f the progressive and peace loving TC's with which we played with their sincere feelings would have still voted for the AP had it been tilted to our favour as much as it is in their favour now.

That is for them to answer. I am sure Akinci will be more than pleased to give you a square answer.

I'd actually appreciate an answer from him more than any other politician in cyprus GC and TC.