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[MR-from-NG]

I'm sorry, I believe Papadopoulos does not want a solution to the problem, or at least he does not want the responsibility of being the President who signs it. The least he could do after the rejection of the Annan plan would be to take the iniciative for a new solution plan, showing the world that the people voted no because they sincerely believed it was not a good plan, not because they did not want a solution

I totally agree with AlexISS. Good post.

[alexISS]

Alexiss, read the annan plan again especially the appendix regarding the gaurantee. WHat would stop turkey from calling in that gaurantee AS IT HAS ALREADY DONE SO IN THE PAST in order to have what it always wanted, a Turkish state on Cyprus?

Could you please specify an action Turkey could (and would) take against a unified Cyprus?

[alexISS]

Don't get me wrong, DT, I certainly don't consider Turkey a democratic country that only has good intentions for Cyprus, but I believe some of us fear her too much. I may be in the dark, but do Turkish Cypriots fear Greece?!?

[Piratis]

I agree with Zan however would like to reiterate my belief that Turkey will always keep supporting our quest for self-administration rights in Cyprus.

Turkish Cypriots are: pro “agreed” partitionists (please notice its distinction from being a sole “pro partitionist”). More elaborately, we want a “Partnership State of Cyprus” where the equal status and legitimacy of its co-founding parties is explicitly recognized and respected and that under it, neither side is allowed, directly or implicitly, to extend its will, legitimacy or sovereignty over the other. The principles of bi-communality, political equality and bi-zonality are the key parameters for a settlement in Cyprus that have also been endorsed by the U.N. Security Council.

We want to live in Cyprus with Greeks as our friends and neighbors but not as our administrators.

Murtaga, what you say is no different that what Viewpoint, Zan etc are saying. The only difference is that you are at least not a hypocrite, and you are not calling what you are asking a "unification", but you call it what it really is: partition.

Before the 1960, the two extremes - Enosis with Greece and Partition, were compromised end we ended up with the 1960 agreements. Now give me one reason why after making that compromise we should come and accept your most extreme demands? What will you give us in return? Part of Turkey?

You are the hypocrite Piratis as you do not accept what you yourself promote for us a minority within a GC state. When the tables are turned and GCs are faced with being the minority in the North State you reject it out right. Why do you find it so difficult to share allowing me to have the same as yourself no more no less. Lets strip back to basics I have no army you have no army, you have recognition I have recognition or we both have no recognition, I have guarantees you have guarantees, you get rid of all your foreign settlers and so do I and so on...lets equal things out, what do you think about that???

Lets strip back to the basics in a different way: You go back to Turkey from were you came from, we have our country here, you have your country there. End of problems.

Greeks in Turkey are a minority, Turks in Cyprus are also a minority. Or maybe you will give part of Turkey to the Greek minority?

[Piratis]

I remember all the TV stations in Cyprus were alligned against the Annan plan, magnifying all its shortcomings and hiding the positives. The public opinion was constantly bombarded with warnings of an upcoming destruction.

In fact the percentage of media that supported the Annan plan was disproportionately large. If we were not bombed with threats day and night about what would happen to us if we dare to say no to this partition plan, the rejection would have been much larger.

[Viewpoint]

I will not go anywhere, read and digest, why is it that GCs like Piratis always tell us to go back to Turkey and we never do this by saying you back to Greece? why is it that we feel they have just as much right to be here as we do, even if we cannot share the island as one, we always argue Taksim where they to have a share but they argue getting rid of us all together via annihilation or sending us to Turkey.

The TRNC is my home not Turkey.

[alexISS]

In fact the percentage of media that supported the Annan plan was disproportionately large. If we were not bombed with threats day and night about what would happen to us if we dare to say no to this partition plan, the rejection would have been much larger.

Larger or smaller?

[DT.]

Alexiss, read the annan plan again especially the appendix regarding the gaurantee. WHat would stop turkey from calling in that gaurantee AS IT HAS ALREADY DONE SO IN THE PAST in order to have what it always wanted, a Turkish state on Cyprus?

Could you please specify an action Turkey could (and would) take against a unified Cyprus?

Alexiss, I've already told you, with the treaty of gaurantee anything that is construed to harm the constitutional integrity of the state or each individual component state would be a green flag for a partition. Be it by troops or what is more probable the TC state declaring self-determination due to breach of the consitution by the GC state.

If the treaty of gaurantee was just for public consumptio then why not stick to that? Why increase its coverage to that of both individual states?

ANd again I do not buy this whole concession that Turkey gave up its right for a recognised trnc. If there was such a choice between the trnc being recognised today by everyone and the annan plan who do you think turkey would choose? It was never a concession because it was never an option.

[DT.]

In fact the percentage of media that supported the Annan plan was disproportionately large. If we were not bombed with threats day and night about what would happen to us if we dare to say no to this partition plan, the rejection would have been much larger.

Larger or smaller?

Larger, my grandparents were told that if they don't vote yes by the local disy MP, the US might initiate sanctions against the GC's.

[Sotos]

I will not go anywhere, read and digest, why is it that GCs like Piratis always tell us to go back to Turkey and we never do this by saying you back to Greece? why is it that we feel they have just as much right to be here as we do, even if we cannot share the island as one, we always argue Taksim where they to have a share but they argue getting rid of us all together via annihilation or sending us to Turkey.

The TRNC is my home not Turkey.

He told you to go back to Turkey because you ask for Taksim. If you don't ask for taksim we will not tell you to go to Turkey Deal?