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[Alexandros Lordos]

MicAtCyp,

I have been given reliable information (allow me not to name my source) that the number of settlers who have been given "citizenship" is 63,000. This number does not include the "illegal workers" and everyone who is in Cyprus on a temporary work permit or as a student.

This number also tallies with Talat's promise last year, that everyone who is a "citizen" would remain after a solution based on the Annan Plan.

[turkcyp]

MicAtCyp,

I have been given reliable information (allow me not to name my source) that the number of settlers who have been given "citizenship" is 63,000. This number does not include the "illegal workers" and everyone who is in Cyprus on a temporary work permit or as a student.

This number also tallies with Talat's promise last year, that everyone who is a "citizen" would remain after a solution based on the Annan Plan.

Very close to my estimates. Not in 120k as some has suggested. I know my country more than your propaganda machine.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Turkcyp,

when we GCs make estimates of settlers, we don't make distinctions between those who have been given citizenship and those that even the TCs consider illegal ...

So when we say 100,000+, we mean "citizens" + "illegal workers", which is indeed around 100,000 ...

So we are both right

[turkcyp]

Turkcyp,

when we GCs make estimates of settlers, we don't make distinctions between those who have been given citizenship and those that even the TCs consider illegal ...

So when we say 100,000+, we mean "citizens" + "illegal workers", which is indeed around 100,000 ...

So we are both right

I am fully aware of that actually and this is why a while ago I have started this threat.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=728

I guess you have missed it.

[MicAtCyp]

Number of dead TC during the "genocide" years
79 TC in 1963, and 136 TC in 1964!

[erolz]

Number of dead TC during the "genocide" years
79 TC in 1963, and 136 TC in 1964!

Where do you get these figures from. They are not correct in my opinion.

from http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Patrick-chp%203.htm

The period from 21 December 1963 to 10 August 1964 was the most violent phase of the Cypriot conflict [snip] It may be more prudent therefore to accept that approximately 350 Turk-Cypriots were killed in this period while about 200 Greek-Cypriots and mainland Greeks were killed.

Approx 350 TC killed in less than a year and approx 25,000 TC made refugees by a GC community with greatly more numerical numbers, vastly more military equipment, arms, tanks and with control of all of government including state broadcasting etc etc. Still just a little bit of 'tit for tat' comunal strife - no way it could be charaterised as an attempt to rid Cyprus of the 'TC problem' once and for all (without provoking Turkey - Makarios' famous 'tightrope' walking act). For gods sake read the Akritas plan. What do you think this document is? Who do you think wrote it and supported it?

3 Greek/GC get killed whilst driving (armed alledgely) into a TC enclave area and failing to stop at the checkpoint. In response in the next 3 days 32-35 innocent TC, unarmed and going about their every day normal business are murdered - following 'state' controlled TV and radio 'inciting' the GC to take revenge. As the cyprus conflict site puts it

Government press reports portrayed the incident as an atrocity in which Turkish-Cypriot 'terrorists' riddled four lone Greeks who had strayed into the Turkish-Cypriot quarter by mistake.[44] This completely fallacious version of the incident encouraged Greek-Cypriot extremist groups to exact their own revenge. Between 11 and 13 May, probably 32 to 35 Turk-Cypriots were abducted and executed as a reprisal for the deaths of these three men.

Still just a bit of 'equal' roudiness from a few hot heads in each community ![/quote]

[brother]

Why do so many GC insist on qouting a load of bullshit figures, but for the record you either feel that the lower the figure the less 'bad' it is in your eyes or ..........you tell me.

[MicAtCyp]

I have been given reliable information (allow me not to name my source) that the number of settlers who have been given "citizenship" is 63,000.

Including their under age dependants or excluding? Including the 30K who got citizenship recently or excluding?

By the way your figure does not seem correct if we take into account the following 3 undisputed facts. a) The number of voters during the referendum was 142,000. b)The settlers are more than the indigenious TCs c)Number of voters does not include dependents below their 18th year of age.

Anyway, in case of a solution, I would want our side to have the name of each and every person currently living in the occupied areas verified as to whether he is an indigeneous TC or a settler.

[brother]

And why would you want that for?

[MicAtCyp]

I have been given reliable information (allow me not to name my source) that the number of settlers who have been given "citizenship" is 63,000.

Including their under age dependants or excluding? Including the 30K who got citizenship recently or excluding?

By the way your figure does not seem correct if we take into account the following 3 undisputed facts. a) The number of voters during the referendum was 142,000. b)The settlers are more than the indigenious TCs c)Number of voters does not include dependents below their 18th year of age.

Anyway, in case of a solution, I would want our side to have the name of each and every person currently living in the occupied areas verified as to whether he is an indigeneous TC or a settler.