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[Piratis]

I `ll be Ebru Mehmet Souvalian!

Good to know your name


(just kidding )

[Alexandros Lordos]

Hey, Piratis, where did you find this cool emoticon?

[KELEBEK]

striking a blow for the Greek nation no doubt?

[tcypriot]

Have you ever thought about it, how, in case of a solution will the new cypriot generations be educated concerning the history lessons.

We first have to get things straight and agree on a mutually acceptable neutral view of the cyprus history.

For example for us, the period between 1963 and 1974 is a period of genocide, where the Turkish Cypriot Nation was mercilesly attacked by their neighbours of hundreds of years.

But for the greek cypriots, actually there's a strange and unbelievable explanation for the same time period: The turkish cypriots made an uprising as to control the government of Cyprus and to unite cyprus partially with turkey, thus they all of a sudden left the state organs by themselves and moved to previously planned enclaves..Actually one thing is missing at this greek propaganda, what's the excuse for the 20thousand Greek Occupation Soldiers, that were attacking the unarmed but proud and resistant Turkish Cypriot Nation with tanks,grenades and artillery.

We have very deep differences in our understanding of the cyprus problem and history as a whole..

[Piratis]

For example for us, the period between 1963 and 1974 is a period of genocide, where the Turkish Cypriot Nation was mercilesly attacked by their neighbours of hundreds of years.

If you call the 200-300 TCs that were killed over a period of 10 years a "genocide" then what do you call the 6000 GCs that were killed in just days? We suffered 100 times more casualties over the whole history, and yet I never heard anybody saying about a GC genocide.

This just proves that you are exaggerating everything to an impossible degree in your attempt to excuse the inexcusable.

[insan]

Hey, Piratis, where did you find this cool emoticon?

Finally he has revealed his terrorist mentality

[Othellos]

I`m entitled to have an opinion. I know my people. My information is not based on the 1950s or 60s but on what real people living in Northern Cyprus tell me when they leave the island to come here, and on what I have observed on my numerous trips to North Cyprus. After living in a refugee camp in Adana Turkey for nearly a year, I think I have earned my right to speak about Cyprus. Thank you!

I talked about maintaining views that were influenced from the events of the 50's, the 60's and the 70's and not information alone. And while it is not my intention to offend or criticize you in any way, I honestly believe that when it comes to knowing a complicated country like Cyprus, visiting the place as a tourist once or twice a year is just not the same as living here on a permanent basis. I know that you are intelligent enough to understand why. Other than that, of course you are entitled to your own opinion like everyone else in here. Why would I ever think otherwise?

I am being realistic in pointing out to you that its better to live divided. In 30 years of high level talks have they ever agreed to anything? What makes you think we can run a govt together? Do you really think T/C would feel comfortable with Papadoc as their president?

Hmm….the truth is that in the 30 years that followed the invasion there was little discussion about solving the problem. Remember that for a very long time and until recently, the Cyprus problem did not even exist for Turkey while Denktash was never very willing to talk. As for Papadopoulos, what makes you so sure that I am thrilled about him currently being the President of Cyprus? So you are correct that the problem is not resolved yet, but I disagree when you say that a permanent division line has to be drawn – that is just too easy.

I dont need to provoke other people, you G/Cs are happy to accept Piratis` vitriolic remarks about T/Cs because he is a he and a G/C, but if a T/C female defends her community in the same manner, then its called provokation. I fear these practices are going to be carried into the future United States of Cyprus!

Again Kelebek, I am sure you know exactly what I meant when I wrote that your main purpose in here is to provoke other members. If I were you and if I wanted to be taken seriously, I would try defending my position with valid arguments, without insulting and without distorting the truth either totally or in part (at least not intentionally). If on the other hand my intention were to "play" I would carry on doing what you do

Yes but the Turkish intervention took place at the same time as the G/C acts of genocide and the failed Greek coup-d`etat, so you cant hold Turkey entirely accountable for this mass movement of people. Nice one!

If you are referring to the mass murders of TC civilians in August 1974, these happened after the Turkish invasion started and after similar crimes were carried out against GC civilians (this is not an attempt to justify these actions btw). In any event, the atrocities that happened during the war in 1974 are not directly related to the migration of thousands of GC's or TC's AFTER hostilities ended and when people had to look elsewhere for work. The GC's were able to rebuilt what was left of Cyprus and therefore many of them returned to their island. On the other hand, the migration of TC's continued because there was not much they could do with other people's properties in the new, larger enclave that Turkey created for them in 1974.

Too small but with Greece and the Greek lobby here in the US not too small. Your pal Rossides can certainly scratch a few backs of congressmen to get what he wants. Just look at the US arms embargo on Turkey after 1974, this was because of the Greek lobby. Similarly Midnight express, a film falsely portraying Turkey as a nation of pigs was funded and supported by Greek Americans.

I think you are over - estimating Greek influence here. The temporary US arms embargo after 1974 never had a real effect on Turkey as military aid to this country continued though other channels during the . Regarding Olive Stone's "Midnight Express", I am curious to know more about the Greek Americans who funded it so feel free to enlighten me.

Turkey has helped the T/Cs alot, but it has had its own problems to deal with too. The high inflation, 1981 coup d`etat etc...

We are talking about a handful of people here. What are 100-120,000 TC’s when compared to the 70 million that live in Turkey? I will have to disagree with you on this one.

Even wealthy people deserve to be able to exercise their rights and enjoy their wealth. My family worked very hard to build their Limassol home and my grand parents worked very very hard, saving every shilling to educate my father by sending him to School in France and university in Switzerland. My Mothers family also worked very hard and saved every shilling to send her to School and pay for her to finish her 7 year Medical degree in England.

I would never question the right of others to enjoy their wealth. What I merely pointed out is that when you write about how wealthy your family was in Cyprus before 1974, this does contradict your previous statement about "not being able to enjoy your life in Cyprus". It is as simple as that.

This may be true, although I have different information. Supposing it is, can Turkish settlers stay with foreign passports then? Or is that unacceptable?

All I am saying is why is it OK for them to be in Cyprus even without Cyprus passports orr T/C properties but not Turkish settlers. Its inconsistent.

Because my dear butterfly and as I have already explained to you, the Pontians are here temporarily, and most important of all, they did not take over the properties of other Cypriots to live in. The Turkish settlers on the other hand did take the homes of GC's and the occupation regime did issue "title deeds" for them.

O.

[brother]

PIRATIS WHY DO YOU ALWAYS FEEL THE NEED TO LIE.

THERE WAS NOT A GENOCIDE OF GC AMOUNTING TO 6000 ' LOL', SO STOP LYING.

ALSO THE AMOUNT OF TC DEATHS WERE NOT 200 BUT MUCH MORE AND THAT WAS GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY EOKA AND GREEK ARMY PERSONEL ETC.

[-mikkie2-]

Brother,

During the period of '63 and '67 many deaths were attributed to clashes between paramiliatry groups of both sides. In any event, the number of TC's that died between '63 and '74 can be measured in the hundreds. This is not my view. Why don't you check out the cyprus-conflict web site which may give you a clearer picture.

Only recently, the government gave a list of the likely locations of the 500 TC's that were listed as missing since 1963. The Turks are still dragging their feet regarding the 1400 or so GC missing. Why is that? Don't you think that perhaps they are afraid to admit that many of them are liying in mass graves in the north?

On the other hand my dear brother, when the Turks invaded they systematically looted peoples houses, they set up rape camps for women - they systematally abused women in their thousands. They did kill around 6000 people, most of them unarmed civilians - does that constitute genocide in your book? There were cases where TC's for example were supervising mass killings of GC prisoners - isn't that the same kind of 'genocidal' action that you blame the GC's for as well?

Nobody is denying that we did terrible things to the TC's. We did and it has been admitted and we have given you the whereabouts of the missing. But for you to continuously use the label 'genocide' leaves the TC's and Turkey open to the same charge as well.

[brother]

mikkie i have read many sites none confirm 6000 gc dead unless you believe the propoganda rubbish out there, as such mass killings of human beings is genocide whatever country you are from, and those who committed it should be bought to justice.

But i am just responding to some gc who inflate the figures for whatever reasons like piratis.

Also may i add i said it was hundreds but not two hundred like some suggest when the real figure is at least 500, but how ever many people it may be either side it is genocide. fullstop.

I cannot and will not accept any form of murders of innocent people.