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[KELEBEK]

Oh! I almost forgot, what about the settlers?

The Turkish settlers as TRNC citizens will have the right to live in the T/C state, with the same rights as everybody else. If the property in which they have lived is reoccipied by a G/C, they will be given social housing by the T/C state, similarly a G/C whose house is ruined (by war, or by nature) can apply to live in social housing too for as long as they are unable to reoccupy their property. The social housing property will not belong to the resident and they cannot buy it, they can only rent as long as their need it, their entitlement to it will be examined anually to avoid any welfare cheating. The taxes from both T/Cs and G/Cs can help fund this. The Turkish Embassy and consulate can provide additional help for its own citizens.

In the long run this will benefit everybody, as T/C will still have their own state, G/C will have their property and rights and Turkish settlers can stay.

[KELEBEK]

Piratis

>>They have rights in their country, not in our country<<


Thats not how international law, EU law or the UN charter on human rights works.


>>If they want, they should go back to Turkey, and then apply for visa the way all foreign workers and immigrants do<<

I suppose the 35,000 Pontian Greeks who were given Cyprus citizenship without the consent of the Turkish-Cypriots applied for visas.

[Piratis]

The Turkish settlers as TRNC citizens will have the right to live in the T/C state

There is no "TRNC" and there is no "TC state".

Thats not how international law, EU law or the UN charter on human rights works.

Thats exactly how it works.
Who violates human rights and international laws is Turkey.

I suppose the 35,000 Pontian Greeks who were given Cyprus citizenship without the consent of the Turkish-Cypriots applied for visas.

The Republic of Cyprus, the only legal government on the island, allowed them to stay here. Therefore they are legal.

[KELEBEK]

Ok, so why did the RoC only allow Greeks, (Pontian Greeks are Greeks) to settle in RoC, why did they not allow Turks, Azerbaijanis, Turkmens, Uzbeks, Uighurs to settle in the South?

Out of all the 190 countries in the World, you decided to give Cyprus citizenship to Pontian Greeks! How impartial! How very convenient for you!

[KELEBEK]

The TRNC is very real. If you visit the North, you have to show your passport, if you are in Kyrenia or anywhere else in the North you are relying on Turkish Cypriot law and police to protect you.

[Piratis]

The TRNC is very real. If you visit the North, you have to show your passport, if you are in Kyrenia or anywhere else in the North you are relying on Turkish Cypriot law and police to protect you.

Thats called occupation. And by the way, I never visited the occupied areas and I have no need to do so. However I know many TCs that come every day to the free areas, to work, to be treated in hospitals, to get RoC passports etc.

[Piratis]

Out of all the 190 countries in the World, you decided to give Cyprus citizenship to Pontian Greeks! How impartial! How very convenient for you!

First of all most Pontians do not have the citizenship. Second, I have no problem if they leave as part of a settlement, and third, maybe you didn't visit RoC recently, because you would see the number of other foreigners that we have here (some of which with citizenship) that are coming from several countries around the world.
And by the way, now with the EU any EU citizen can come and live here freely.

Also notice that none of the above was given TC properties.

[KELEBEK]

On the contrary, there are G/Cs currently living in T/C homes in the South, and we cannot return to our homes even when your govt styles itself as the govt of all of Cyprus, "the free areas". Look at the recent case of Arif, who tried to return to his Limassol home but was prevented as the "Cyprus govt" feared an influx of T/Cs. Your Greek Cypriot dominated Cyprus govt always takes the side of its own people, even though it likes to call itself the cyprus govt. This adds to the argument that there is no Cyprus govt, there are two defacto states, one G/C and one T/C. It makes alot of sense to a person who believes that Cypriots mean Greek Cypriots only, but not to most enlightened people.

If we had free trade with the rest of the World and flights allowing us to support ourselves financially then we can build homes for the Turkish mainlanders and you all can return and live under our state outside of the EU. But because of these economic sanctions we simply cannot attract foreign workers, so we have to rely on seasonal workers from the poorest regions of Turkey.


Finally you seem to over-play the EU card in this forum, dont forget that were it not for Greece, the sponsor of Greek Cyprus and its supporter, who threatened to veto the entire enlargement process if Cyprus was not admitted as a divided island, you would not be part of the EU. In other words you got in because of Greek threats and black mail, does that make you feel good about Cyprus EU accession? Does that make you feel that you achieved something by yourself?

Also lets not forget the EU did not choose Cyprus over Turkey, there was opposition from Chirac and many others in the EU of Cyprus-EU accession, because of the problems it would cause, but due to Greek threats to stop negotiations with the nine other states if Cyprus was not let in, other states accepted it as a compromise. It was simply unfair to derail democratization and liberalisation in Eastern Europe because of Greek Cyprus.

[Piratis]

As long as you are occupying our land, you should be treated as criminals. Currently you are treated much better than that, and you should be satisfied about it. If you don't want that, then return the passports and don't set a foot again in the free areas.

Sure, Greece threatened to veto the enlargement. This should show you that Greece and Cyprus do have the power within EU to get what they want. So if Turkey wants to be part of the EU, she will have to show respect to all 25 countries, including Republic of Cyprus.

[Othellos]

Finally you seem to over-play the EU card in this forum, dont forget that were it not for Greece, the sponsor of Greek Cyprus and its supporter, who threatened to veto the entire enlargement process if Cyprus was not admitted as a divided island, you would not be part of the EU. In other words you got in because of Greek threats and black mail, does that make you feel good about Cyprus EU accession? Does that make you feel that you achieved something by yourself?

Actually, the accession of the Republic of Cyprus to the EU was quite an achievement that came after a lot of hard work and coordinated effort. The fact that Greece helped too does not reduce one bit all the work that was carried out successfully here in Cyprus. Of course you are free to believe otherwise, especially if this makes you feel a little better.

O.