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[twinkle]

Are there any English in London?

No. Most of them are now in Peyia....

[devil]

Rubbish! Makarios/Grivas started it by demanding union with Greece. Why would Turkish-Cypriots want to go from living in a British colony to living in a Greek colony, especially with (then) recent memories of the treatment of Turks in Crete, Thrace etc. As I have written elsewhere, if the GC leadership had demanded independence and invited the TC community to join them, it is likely today that Cyprus would be an independent united island.

The GC leadership seem to have a special gift for making enemies. Witness the irritation that their stance is now creating in the EU.[/quote]

You speak not just rubbish but utter balderdash and poppycock. Very obviously, you weren't living here in the 1950s, like I was. A minority of Cypriots have been wanting Enosis (union with Greece) from times before Makarios and Grivas were even born. In fact, the Brits offered Cyprus to Greece, in the 1920s, I think, and the Cypriots said no. In the early 1950s, youngsters painted the word ένοσης all over the place and the 1954 student "uprising" was to press for this, but this was fomented by a few hotheads. I can assure you that the Brits started the language division: I saw it happening with my own eyes.

Notice, I do not say ethnic division; there is no ethnic division, just language and cultural. Ethnically, the Turkish-speaking and Greek-speaking Cypriots are identical, as DNA tests have proved.

I agree with you that politicians, and especially the present incumbents, have not helped the situation. There is an amusing article in today's Cyprus Weekly to this effect.

[dms007]

We were colonised, invaded, raped and killed by many other nations before we got where we are today...

what about the colonisation, invasion, raping and killing of many other countries that you people did?

[Eliko]

Absolutely!, and where do you consider yourselves to be today? there is no respect, no culture, no integrity, your prime minister is daily accused of lying, your concept of democracy is the equivalent of four wolves and a sheep gathered at a dining table, discussing what would be a suitable meal for the evening. Thanks but no thanks, we do not want that kind of decadence inflicted upon us decent folk.

[paaul12]

Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos:

Tonight there are no winners or losers. It is certainly not a night for a celebration.

I should emphasise that the Greek Cypriots have not rejected the solution of the Cyprus problem. They are not turning their backs on their Turkish Cypriot compatriots.

They have simply rejected this particular solution on offer.

We shall work for a bi-zonal bi-communal federation as a solution that will meet the hopes and expectations of both communities.

Yea sure, december 2006 and where r u today????


Any thoughts where u will be this time next year or the year after that, i will tell u, where u were in 2004!

[DT.]

Rubbish! Makarios/Grivas started it by demanding union with Greece. Why would Turkish-Cypriots want to go from living in a British colony to living in a Greek colony, especially with (then) recent memories of the treatment of Turks in Crete, Thrace etc. As I have written elsewhere, if the GC leadership had demanded independence and invited the TC community to join them, it is likely today that Cyprus would be an independent united island.

The GC leadership seem to have a special gift for making enemies. Witness the irritation that their stance is now creating in the EU.

You speak not just rubbish but utter balderdash and poppycock. Very obviously, you weren't living here in the 1950s, like I was. A minority of Cypriots have been wanting Enosis (union with Greece) from times before Makarios and Grivas were even born. In fact, the Brits offered Cyprus to Greece, in the 1920s, I think, and the Cypriots said no. In the early 1950s, youngsters painted the word ένοσης all over the place and the 1954 student "uprising" was to press for this, but this was fomented by a few hotheads. I can assure you that the Brits started the language division: I saw it happening with my own eyes.

Notice, I do not say ethnic division; there is no ethnic division, just language and cultural. Ethnically, the Turkish-speaking and Greek-speaking Cypriots are identical, as DNA tests have proved.

I agree with you that politicians, and especially the present incumbents, have not helped the situation. There is an amusing article in today's Cyprus Weekly to this effect.

WHo the hell are you??? You can't even get your facts straight. When did the cypriots reject the offer for union with greece?

How can 2 people that coplonised the island with a difference of 2000 years between them share the same dna?

[observer]

Devil, very politely (thank you) says:

You speak not just rubbish but utter balderdash and poppycock. Very obviously, you weren't living here in the 1950s, like I was. A minority of Cypriots have been wanting Enosis (union with Greece) from times before Makarios and Grivas were even born. In fact, the Brits offered Cyprus to Greece, in the 1920s, I think, and the Cypriots said no. In the early 1950s, youngsters painted the word ένοσης all over the place and the 1954 student "uprising" was to press for this, but this was fomented by a few hotheads. I can assure you that the Brits started the language division: I saw it happening with my own eyes.

I was living in Cyprus in the 1950s and I think that our opinions are actually very close. The Brits obviously did not start the language division - TCs spoke Turkish, GCs spoke Greek long before the Brits arrived in Cyprus. They continued to do so all the time the Brits occupied Cyprus. Most of the time TC/GC neighbours got on with each other, if they were not actually the best of friends. There had long been a smallish minority of GCs that wanted enosis but even in the middle of the troubles, far fewer GCs wanted it than is taught in schools today. Witness the large number of GCs who were killed by EOKA to 'encourage' other GCs.

If GCs, encouraged by Grivas/Makarios, started killing Brits and TCs wouldn't it be only natural for them to become closer? I maintain that it was the GC leadership at the time who started the division, and Denktas and various GC leaders who have maintained it ever since.

I think that Talat offered a genuine hand of friendship when he replaced Denktas. It has repeatedly been rejected by Papadop, and no-one keeps his hand out forever.

Shame really, because as you say,

Ethnically, the Turkish-speaking and Greek-speaking Cypriots are identical, as DNA tests have proved.

which I have never seen in print, but after all the claims of everyone raping everyone it seems a reasonable supposition.

[rawk]

"Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it."

A little quote from the Lord of the Rings.

The collective amnesia of the greek cypriot population about the events of 1974 will be realized as the years roll by, as will their ancestral memories.

Forgetting one thing leads to forgetting another.........

Massacre? what massacre? Property, what property?

Cyprus? What Cyprus?

Rawk

[miltiades]

Cyprus , just like a human , was infected with the dreadful decease of "MOTHERLANDOUS BUULSHITIOUS " This cancer was fed by ignorant and unpatriotic Cypriots both in the political field and the religious scene. Cypriots who lived peacefully with each other were indocrinated and ultimately brainwashed - JUST LOOK AT PAUUL AND ALEXIS WITH THEIR FOREIGN FLAGS MASQUARATING AS CYPRIOTS - These cancerous cells spread to the hearts of the people and spread death and destruction to an otherwise healthy and peaceful island.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS NOT SOUTH OR NORTH BUT C Y P R U S

[bg_turk]

Cyprus, like many others before it, has been infected by a disease very common in multiethnic societites - nationalism.
The only known cure is partition (Yugoslavia).