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[Issy1956]

DT,
Have you been to the North at all?. If you had you would already know its a Turkish province. Whats there to fear. If the choice is that between a second class citizen in GC state (if we are allowed to exist at all) and that of a minor Turkish province then |I know which I would choose. No problem at all mate. Enjoy.

[observer]

Rejected as a 'mockery' Turkey's proposals

As I understand it the original mockery was the Finnish proposal to hand over Varosha in return for handing over Famagusta port too!

[Kifeas]

DT,
Have you been to the North at all?. If you had you would already know its a Turkish province. Whats there to fear. If the choice is that between a second class citizen in GC state (if we are allowed to exist at all) and that of a minor Turkish province then |I know which I would choose. No problem at all mate. Enjoy.

Of course, no such a choice has ever existed. None of the more than 2,000 TCs that currently live in the free areas of the RoC does regard him /herself or is being treated as a second class citizen.

[joe]

Issy1956 wrote:

DT,
Have you been to the North at all?. If you had you would already know its a Turkish province. Whats there to fear. If the choice is that between a second class citizen in GC state (if we are allowed to exist at all) and that of a minor Turkish province then |I know which I would choose. No problem at all mate. Enjoy.

Kifeas wrote:

Of course, no such a choice has ever existed. None of the more than 2,000 TCs that currently live in the free areas of the RoC does regard him /herself or is being treated as a second class citizen.

In fact, Kifeas, it is not the RoC who has a problem with restriction of minority rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with restrictions on freedom of speech. It is not the RoC who has a problem with women's rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with human rights violations and it is not the RoC who has a problem with its military interfering in political and judicial events. They can chest pound and blame “tpap” or the tiny island of Cyprus all they want but Turkey's EU problem is Turkey itself.

[MR-from-NG]

In fact, Kifeas, it is not the RoC who has a problem with restriction of minority rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with restrictions on freedom of speech. It is not the RoC who has a problem with women's rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with human rights violations and it is not the RoC who has a problem with its military interfering in political and judicial events. They can chest pound and blame “tpap” or the tiny island of Cyprus all they want but Turkey's EU problem is Turkey itself.

What a load of f****ng crap.

[miltiades]

Issy 1956 , why should you feel like a second class citizen in your own country , you are are my equal in every sense of the world and I would defend any Cypriots rights to equal status in their own land, and so would the great majority of true Cypriots.

[Issy1956]

Miltiades,
I have no doubt that you would view and treat all fellow Cypriots with a fair minded equality that I have nothing but admiration for. However having travelled and talked to many GC's in the ROc I dont believe that the majority of GC's hold these views. The ROC itself is whatever you say to me, in my eyes, not a government that represents me in any shape or form and until we get a solution it wont either. You must not forget that my views are coloured by the prism of my experiences of being a refugee and fleeing from Cyprus in the early sixties, the result of GC actions against me and my family for being nothing other that TC's living in the wrong area.
Your present president (and I emphasise that he is yours rather than ours in the collective sense) is a stark reminder to me of those times in the 1960's and frankly I do not believe he has changed one iota.
Can you understand my reluctance? I would love to be able to tell our foreign cousins (the Turks) to go home but I cant bring myself to trust the present GC admin as a governemnt that I could live under and be a part of and I suspect that the vast majority of TC's living in the north dont either or they would have returned to their former homes in the south-there is nothing stopping them from doing so.
There has to be a hearts and minds campaign on both sides to win each other over so that we might once again live with each other.

[miltiades]

issy1956 , I also , on a daily basis because of the nature of my work , interact with T/Cs as well as and to a lesser extend with G/Cs . When I visit Cyprus usually monthly for a few days , I do come across the people that you believe hold opposing views to mine , and have had a number of heated debates , on the hole it is the younger person who has never had any interaction with T/Cs , I find that the older generation is far more renascent and willing to accept that all Cypriots have equal rights in their land. You have mentioned the 60s when you became a refugee as a result of actions by G/Cs extremists I should add , but please also consider the 200 thousand of G/Cs who also became and still are refugees in their own countries. Re examining closely both sides of the coin is what we must do and believe me when we do so , as I have done , we shall reach the magic stage where a Cypriot is a Cypriot regardless of religion or ethnicity. I have reached that magic spot and feel that it is a tragedy that so many of my compatriots have still to get there.

[paaul12]

In fact, Kifeas, it is not the RoC who has a problem with restriction of minority rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with restrictions on freedom of speech. It is not the RoC who has a problem with women's rights. It is not the RoC who has a problem with human rights violations and it is not the RoC who has a problem with its military interfering in political and judicial events. They can chest pound and blame “tpap” or the tiny island of Cyprus all they want but Turkey's EU problem is Turkey itself.


What a load of f****ng crap.

Absolutely, abss say F+++ing loutley