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[pantelis]

Erol,
You said,

It is only GC who insist it is against EU norms.

Now the EU has the time to read and understand the plan, without blindly having to trust a corrupt UN process, without any EU involvement.

http://www.charlestannock.com/speech.asp?id=580


http://www.eppe.org/Docdownload.asp?ID= ... 4704070069

Your negative attitude is very obvious Erol. You are obviously happy with the status quo. Your motives for participating in this forum are not clear to me.
Are you are trying to take revenge for the murder of an uncle you have never met, by promoting "war" in country you have no birthrights in, or what?
Can you please enlighten me?

[insan]

One of the EU concepts is the opening of all borders to all EU citizens.

I'm not against opening all borders to all EU citizens. I said permenant restricitions must be put on right to settlement and buy property...

By you isolating the TCs in another enclave you are not protecting them, you are condemning them to remain under-developed, as they have been for the last 40+ years.

If putting restrictions on right to settlement and buy property means isolating TCs to another enclave, you might be right but you know very well that it doesn't have a meaning how you twisted it. And I really fed up replying such twisted arguements...

It would make more sense for the ethnic-fanatic GCs to insist on isolating the TCs from them.

There's a Turkish phrase Pantelis,

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"Hırsıza kilit dayanmaz."

(A thief is able to unlock all kinds of locks.." In this small Island, there's no way to isolate ethnic-fanatics from each other; therefore it does not make sense to insist on isolating them...

The birth rates are much higher in the north than the south, I think. The Irsraelis know that if they have a unitary that includes the Palestinians, one day they will be a minority.
Any restrictions you impose on you right now, will haunt you in the future.

Don't worry about it... if there has been restrictions on right to settlement and buy property, TCs will always feel comfortable themselves in the region they have been living... If no restrictions has been put on right to settlement and buy property; the first two places that would be "invaded" by GCs, Greeks and foreigners in a short time would be Kyrenia and Karpasia, and you should well know why...

The Turks want no derogations from the EU. When the European capital begins to buy companies and interests in Turkey, how are they going to react.

Things are different for a country which has 150-200 times more land and 10.000 times more companies; cannot be compared with a land much much more smaller. 50.000 GCs, 30.000 Greeks and 50.000 Eoropeans will be sufficient to buy %90 of private property belongs to TCs... Some self-interest groups, even can easily organize systematic frustration and oppression "attacks" over TCs, in order to push them to sell their properties. I find this highly possible. The ex-Kyrenians and Karpasians will try every way and every trick to get those special regions back from TCs.

An open ended relation, means just that. One-way openings do exist in healthy relationships. It is inconceivable to me, to see Turkey a full member of the EU, not because of EU drawbacks, but of the Turkish elite reluctance to give up the reigns. This is the main reason why it will take Turkey ten or fifteen or fifty years, to fully join the EU. The TCs will not be given the opportunity to sidetrack from the Turkish path, unless they fight for it.

Who dies, who lives in 15 or 20 years time... An open end may become a close end or never ever. It is Turkey's job. I don't care weather they become a full member of EU or given a special partnership. Turkey is a recognized country and has rich resources to feed her people... Only a good education system can save Turkey...

The question is: Are the TCs going to take the EU way, or the Turkish nationalistic way. Once this question is cleared, then we can figure out the next steps, for lasting solution.

Neither of them. I'm sure TCs would like to go into their own way. A community with 200-250 thousands of population does not need to be an EU member to survive. Under the circumstances, all we need is a recognized state... Tourism, its side sectors, fishing, agricalture and farming would be enough for us to feed our body and soul properly. Weren't these things which made you one of the most wealthy communities of our region?

[brother]

Is that a possibility, can gc accept for a concession of land accept two states.

[-mikkie2-]

I'm a TC mikkie... I know my community at least better than you; so stop twisting what I say to make them fit your nonesense...

Thanks Insan. Nonsense eh!

Well, who is making most of the money in north Cyprus? Why are there so many 'workers' from Turkey in the north? What about the Turkish businessmen that are making shed loads of money? Does this money stay in Cyprus for the development of the TC's? I would suggest probably not. The inner circle of Denktas and mainland Turkish businessmen are the people making the money in the north.

So as opposed to being flooded by GC's you are being flooded by Turks that are doing the exact same thing to you.

Oh, yes. I really don't understand do I. I talk nonsense and drivel.

[brother]

MIKKIE DOES HAVE A POINT THERE INSAN.

[erolz]

Now the EU has the time to read and understand the plan, without blindly having to trust a corrupt UN process, without any EU involvement.

Well if we are free to pick and choose what UN processes are corrupt or not, can I choose to label the resoloution that accepts the GC regieme as the legal government of all of Cyprus as a corrupt UN process?

http://www.charlestannock.com/speech.asp?id=580

The views of a single Euro MP. Not the views of the EU (as a central body).

http://www.eppe.org/Docdownload.asp?ID= ... 4704070069

Does this say anything about the EU's view re the Annan plan meeting EU requirments in terms of EU 'norms' ?

Your negative attitude is very obvious Erol.

Is anyone who challenges GC positions a person with a negative attitude.

You are obviously happy with the status quo. Your motives for participating in this forum are not clear to me.

What is obvious to you, is not necessarily the case though.

Are you are trying to take revenge for the murder of an uncle you have never met, by promoting "war" in country you have no birthrights in, or what?
Can you please enlighten me?

[/quote]

No I am not trying to take revenge. I am interested in makig sure that such slaughtering of innocent Cypriots by Cypriots does not happen again. Are you trying to take revenege for 74?
As to having no 'birthrights' - what does that mean. I have explained my parentage and history here, openly and honestly. I am not a to be considered a 'Cypriot'? Am I to be treated differently from Cypriots born in Cyprus?

[insan]

MIKKIE DOES HAVE A POINT THERE INSAN.

Re birader, I fed up repeating the same things over and over... I've never denied that North has been flooded by settlers. I said that instead of two or more trouble makers I'd prefer just one to struggle against... Does the flood of settlers in North also justifies the flood of GCs, Greeks and Eoropeans into North?


Half of the land which percentagely belongs to TCs already have been occupied by the "de facto" settlers and if we have been obliged to sell the other half to GCs, Greeks and Eoropeans, where will we the TCs live? Anywhere on entire world? Well, personaly it doesn't matter for me. It's been already 18 years I've been living in Istanbul in dream of some day to return Cyprus and live the rest of my life there but it seems I'll have to wait for at least 1-2 years to return or never...


I emphasize one more time that I really fed up repeating the same things times and times again...

[-mikkie2-]

Does the flood of settlers in North also justifies the flood of GCs, Greeks and Eoropeans into North?

There is justification for GC's to have their property back. The Turks stole it and the Europeans are buying stolen land. They and your regime created the problem. Turn back most of the settlers, treat those that have lived here since the 70's as Cypriots (30-40 thousand) and the problem gets solved. At the moment, it is the settlers that keep the GC's from returning, not the TC's.

If you don't want to live amongst GC's then fine. You take 18-20% of the land and be done with it. That is the price that has to be paid if you want your own state.

It's been already 18 years I've been living in Istanbul in dream of some day to return Cyprus and live the rest of my life there but it seems I'll have to wait for at least 1-2 years to return or never...

Why don't you come and live in the south then? You are free to do so. And if you consider yourself a true Cypriot then that shouldn't be an isuue for you. And that way you can fight for what is right in Cyprus for all Cypriots rather than being stuck in Istanbul where you can do nothing for nobody.

I emphasize one more time that I really fed up repeating the same things times and times again...

I agree with you. I'm fed up with repeating the same things too.

[insan]

There is justification for GC's to have their property back. The Turks stole it and the Europeans are buying stolen land. They and your regime created the problem. Turn back most of the settlers, treat those that have lived here since the 70's as Cypriots (30-40 thousand) and the problem gets solved. At the moment, it is the settlers that keep the GC's from returning, not the TC's.

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You well know that TCs approved the return of some 40 thousand of GC refugees to North(Turkish constituent state), by voting yes to Annan Plan. Perhaps, I stated this for at least 20 times...

If you don't want to live amongst GC's then fine. You take 18-20% of the land and be done with it. That is the price that has to be paid if you want your own state

No problem. It is you who still insist on not accepting two seperate states.

Why don't you come and live in the south then? You are free to do so. And if you consider yourself a true Cypriot then that shouldn't be an isuue for you. And that way you can fight for what is right in Cyprus for all Cypriots rather than being stuck in Istanbul where you can do nothing for nobody.

I've tried that... 2 years ago, I read on the website of CYBC that there were vacancies to fill. I made my application and 2 times was interviewed by the boards of director. They asked the TC candidates to make 8 radio program projects. I made 8 bi-communal radio program projects and brang them to CYBC. 4 out of 8 radio program projects of mine approved as appropriate. One of the member of Board of Directors of CYBC told me that they would call me as soon as the new program schedule for Turkish transmisions were ready. It's been almost 2 years and noone has called me for anything.


Last year when I was in Cyprus I also brang my job application to Nicosia labour office. It's been almost one year, noone informed me that a job was found for me...

And now you tell me why don't I come to Cyprus as a true Cypriot! For what? Straying in the streets of Nicosia? Or begging a job from your masters?

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

You should keep trying. I note that the jobs you have gone for seem to be government jobs. The big disadvantage you have is that you do not live in Cyprus and so it is difficult to chase up job applications. Don't expect employers to chase you!

Also, perhaps you are aiming too high regarding what jobs to go for? The important thing is to establish yourself in Cyprus and perhaps you may well have to sacrifice your ambitions in the short term in order to achieve that. I am not suggesting it would be easy. It most definitely won't.

I do actually remember you saying you applied for jobs but in the heat of the moment I forgot that you did try.

Anyway, I would suggest you keep trying and look at all avenues.