I have been away from this Lunatic Assylum for some time but now I realized what I have been missing. They are a bunch of ...... not knowing what to do.
ismet
Turkey to open port, aiport to Cyprus traffic -EU
by paaul12 » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:11 pm
Merhaba Ismet,
Nice picture!
I just read this DT what do u think?
We shall wait much longer AFRIKA
The European Commission has finally put aside all considerations and spoke out. And put forth the basic criterion in Turkeys accession to the EU. This criterion is neither the reforms, nor the human rights or Cyprus. All these are like accessories by the side of the basic criterion. The basic criterion is Turkeys strategic position. You remember, in the past they called it the gendarmerie of the Middle East. This is the position (we are talking about). It is a window open for Iran, Iraq, Syria, that is, to all the petrol wells. It is an important passageway. And it is a powerful army. Have France and Germany ignored this and the European Commission felt the need to warn them?
It said: Take your decision having into consideration Turkeys strategic importance.
Is it worth it to offend Turkey because it did not open its ports to small Cyprus? Is Europe so mad to lose a very great Turkey for the sake of the Greek Cypriots? Is this strategy, this gendarmerie not needed for everybody? Never mind the reforms and things like that. Leave Cyprus aside. Come to the strategy, the strategy!
In fact, the Commission, which warned Germany and France, did not say everything yet. It put aside all considerations and spoke out, but it did not say everything. (It said) only the half of it. Do you know what is included in the other half? The market. The trading. A market of 70 millions. Money flows like water in this market. Furthermore, the adjustment of the foreign exchange is not in the hands of Turkey, but in the hands of Europe and America. (In the hands of) the International Monetary Fund. If they want they make money to go down and if they want they make it go up. Where else could such a blessing be found? Will this be sacrificed for the sake of the 700-thousands Greek Cypriot population?
Things are like that. There is nothing else to be done. Those who threaten Turkey at every critical point will withdraw from the step they made forward after they obtain whatever they wanted. If they make two steps forward, they will make one step backwards. And they will consider this as a blessing. And we will sit at these stands, which were seen suitable for us, and wait for many years. Until someone agrees to find a solution to our problem. We will watch Turkeys EU adventure just like we watch with enthusiasm the matches between Galata Saray and Fener Bahce. Playing zurnas.
Nice picture!
I just read this DT what do u think?
We shall wait much longer AFRIKA
The European Commission has finally put aside all considerations and spoke out. And put forth the basic criterion in Turkeys accession to the EU. This criterion is neither the reforms, nor the human rights or Cyprus. All these are like accessories by the side of the basic criterion. The basic criterion is Turkeys strategic position. You remember, in the past they called it the gendarmerie of the Middle East. This is the position (we are talking about). It is a window open for Iran, Iraq, Syria, that is, to all the petrol wells. It is an important passageway. And it is a powerful army. Have France and Germany ignored this and the European Commission felt the need to warn them?
It said: Take your decision having into consideration Turkeys strategic importance.
Is it worth it to offend Turkey because it did not open its ports to small Cyprus? Is Europe so mad to lose a very great Turkey for the sake of the Greek Cypriots? Is this strategy, this gendarmerie not needed for everybody? Never mind the reforms and things like that. Leave Cyprus aside. Come to the strategy, the strategy!
In fact, the Commission, which warned Germany and France, did not say everything yet. It put aside all considerations and spoke out, but it did not say everything. (It said) only the half of it. Do you know what is included in the other half? The market. The trading. A market of 70 millions. Money flows like water in this market. Furthermore, the adjustment of the foreign exchange is not in the hands of Turkey, but in the hands of Europe and America. (In the hands of) the International Monetary Fund. If they want they make money to go down and if they want they make it go up. Where else could such a blessing be found? Will this be sacrificed for the sake of the 700-thousands Greek Cypriot population?
Things are like that. There is nothing else to be done. Those who threaten Turkey at every critical point will withdraw from the step they made forward after they obtain whatever they wanted. If they make two steps forward, they will make one step backwards. And they will consider this as a blessing. And we will sit at these stands, which were seen suitable for us, and wait for many years. Until someone agrees to find a solution to our problem. We will watch Turkeys EU adventure just like we watch with enthusiasm the matches between Galata Saray and Fener Bahce. Playing zurnas.
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by rawk » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:49 am
D T
The newspaper is called Afrika in remembrance of the brave stand by Zimbabeean newspapers against the dictats of the Mugabe regime, I wouldn't honour it with the title' "government".
Having come under something a little similar in the TRNC in recent years, the news group renamed itself "Afrika" to remind its readers of the danger of censorship and government interference with the press.
Rawk
The newspaper is called Afrika in remembrance of the brave stand by Zimbabeean newspapers against the dictats of the Mugabe regime, I wouldn't honour it with the title' "government".
Having come under something a little similar in the TRNC in recent years, the news group renamed itself "Afrika" to remind its readers of the danger of censorship and government interference with the press.
Rawk
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by elko » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:36 am
Rawk,
Nice imagination but not correct.
Afrika was formerly named Avrupa i.e. it was named "Europe" and changed it to "Africa".
It attacked anybody and everybody in the name of "free press" and had no respect whatsoever for indivcidual rights and laws of libel etc. This kind of illness is common in less developed countries. In England it could not last more than a month but here everybody are more tolerant. Anyway, it changed name in order to avoid the payment of compensation and nobody really bothered with them. Not worth the trouble. So they changed their name to "Africa" as more apt.
ismet
Nice imagination but not correct.
Afrika was formerly named Avrupa i.e. it was named "Europe" and changed it to "Africa".
It attacked anybody and everybody in the name of "free press" and had no respect whatsoever for indivcidual rights and laws of libel etc. This kind of illness is common in less developed countries. In England it could not last more than a month but here everybody are more tolerant. Anyway, it changed name in order to avoid the payment of compensation and nobody really bothered with them. Not worth the trouble. So they changed their name to "Africa" as more apt.
ismet
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by DT. » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:26 pm
lol....absurd notions such as free press are called attackers. There's one paper over there that dares to say the truth about who exactly is running that place and the journalists have been arrested, their offices destroyed and generally harrassed for being journos....
This is not a sign of a democracy, this is a sign of an insecure regime which does not call the shots and doesn't want its people to know.
This is not a sign of a democracy, this is a sign of an insecure regime which does not call the shots and doesn't want its people to know.
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by DT. » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:37 pm
From International Herald Tribune.
WHy aren't all the Turks celebrating this masterful move you 2 primates seem to be celebrating here?
Turks sharply divided over sensitive Cyprus policy
The Associated PressPublished: December 7, 2006
ANKARA, Turkey: Turkey's public was sharply divided Friday over the government's surprise proposal to open a major port and airport to longtime foe Cyprus and save the country's troubled EU membership talks.
At a time when public support for EU membership has ebbed, the government's proposal Thursday prompted opposition parties to accuse the government of "falling into a trap," in an extremely delicate issue that is seen as a national matter.
The Turkish government is desperate to keep the country's membership talks on track in the face of an EU threat to partially freeze negotiations over Ankara's refusal to open its ports to EU member Cyprus.
But more than three decades after Turkish soldiers fought to protect the tiny Turkish Cypriot population from Greek Cypriots, the issue remains extremely sensitive and public support for the proposal seems unlikely.
"The government is making concessions for the sake of EU membership," said 32-year-old Filiz Un on Friday. "It amounts to selling the country and putting it under the sovereignty of the EU."
Saziye Caliskan, a maid, said she was also against the move.
"They should not open the ports, otherwise our martyrs would roll over in their graves," she said, referring to Turkish soldiers who died in the 1974 invasion of Cyprus to stop a coup by supporters of union with Greece.
A miffed chief of staff, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, complained to the Hurriyet newspaper that he had heard about the decision from television.
"A person at the head of the armed forces should not learn about this decision from television. Is it not necessary to inform a group that has 40,000 soldiers over there of such an important decision?"
The proposal was a surprise even for some Cabinet ministers, including Education Minister Huseyin Celik, who publicly admitted he was unaware of the move until it was announced.
Deniz Baykal, leader of the main opposition Republican People's Party, accused the government of committing grave mistakes, saying the Turkish people "will not forgive this government."
"Let's accept this truth — Erdogan, who has turned Turkey into the EU's whipping boy ... has surrendered," wrote Necati Dogru, a columnist in the independent Vatan newspaper, referring to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Other newspapers took a wait-and-see attitude, and some called the Turkish proposal a "golden goal" that lifted markets and put the burden back on the EU to show its commitment to solving the issue.
The EU was quick to call the step positive but insufficient Thursday as opposition parties mounted criticism against the government, voicing opposition to EU membership and concern that the Turkish proposal amounted to recognizing Cyprus — an assertion Turkish officials vehemently rejected.
The Mediterranean island has been divided into a Greek Cypriot controlled south and Turkish-held north since the Turkish invasion in 1974.
"Opening the Turkish port and airport to Greek Cypriots would mean handing over the Northern Turkish Cypriot Republic to Greek Cypriots," said Muhsin Yazicioglu, leader of the small right-wing nationalist Great Unity Party on Thursday. "Turkey must immediately get out of the EU dream tunnel."
Cyprus joined the EU after U.N. efforts led by Secretary-General Kofi Annan to reunite the island failed. Turkish Cypriots voted in favor of the U.N. reunification plan shortly before Cyprus joined, while Greek Cypriots rejected it.
The division left Turkish Cypriots in the north in the lurch, represented in the EU by a Greek Cypriot government that they did not elect.
Cyprus is a favorite national cause for Turkey, which has some 40,000 troops in northern Cyprus and props up the breakaway state there.
"Whatever mistake we committed, the result is a 23-year-old young, dynamic, small Republic which is absolutely necessary for the security and strategic location of Turkey," said former Turkish-Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash, a staunch nationalist.
"No one would like to see the Turkish soldiers to return to Anatolia as if they lost a war ... May God save this nation from seeing such a shame," Denktash said.
WHy aren't all the Turks celebrating this masterful move you 2 primates seem to be celebrating here?
Turks sharply divided over sensitive Cyprus policy
The Associated PressPublished: December 7, 2006
ANKARA, Turkey: Turkey's public was sharply divided Friday over the government's surprise proposal to open a major port and airport to longtime foe Cyprus and save the country's troubled EU membership talks.
At a time when public support for EU membership has ebbed, the government's proposal Thursday prompted opposition parties to accuse the government of "falling into a trap," in an extremely delicate issue that is seen as a national matter.
The Turkish government is desperate to keep the country's membership talks on track in the face of an EU threat to partially freeze negotiations over Ankara's refusal to open its ports to EU member Cyprus.
But more than three decades after Turkish soldiers fought to protect the tiny Turkish Cypriot population from Greek Cypriots, the issue remains extremely sensitive and public support for the proposal seems unlikely.
"The government is making concessions for the sake of EU membership," said 32-year-old Filiz Un on Friday. "It amounts to selling the country and putting it under the sovereignty of the EU."
Saziye Caliskan, a maid, said she was also against the move.
"They should not open the ports, otherwise our martyrs would roll over in their graves," she said, referring to Turkish soldiers who died in the 1974 invasion of Cyprus to stop a coup by supporters of union with Greece.
A miffed chief of staff, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, complained to the Hurriyet newspaper that he had heard about the decision from television.
"A person at the head of the armed forces should not learn about this decision from television. Is it not necessary to inform a group that has 40,000 soldiers over there of such an important decision?"
The proposal was a surprise even for some Cabinet ministers, including Education Minister Huseyin Celik, who publicly admitted he was unaware of the move until it was announced.
Deniz Baykal, leader of the main opposition Republican People's Party, accused the government of committing grave mistakes, saying the Turkish people "will not forgive this government."
"Let's accept this truth — Erdogan, who has turned Turkey into the EU's whipping boy ... has surrendered," wrote Necati Dogru, a columnist in the independent Vatan newspaper, referring to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Other newspapers took a wait-and-see attitude, and some called the Turkish proposal a "golden goal" that lifted markets and put the burden back on the EU to show its commitment to solving the issue.
The EU was quick to call the step positive but insufficient Thursday as opposition parties mounted criticism against the government, voicing opposition to EU membership and concern that the Turkish proposal amounted to recognizing Cyprus — an assertion Turkish officials vehemently rejected.
The Mediterranean island has been divided into a Greek Cypriot controlled south and Turkish-held north since the Turkish invasion in 1974.
"Opening the Turkish port and airport to Greek Cypriots would mean handing over the Northern Turkish Cypriot Republic to Greek Cypriots," said Muhsin Yazicioglu, leader of the small right-wing nationalist Great Unity Party on Thursday. "Turkey must immediately get out of the EU dream tunnel."
Cyprus joined the EU after U.N. efforts led by Secretary-General Kofi Annan to reunite the island failed. Turkish Cypriots voted in favor of the U.N. reunification plan shortly before Cyprus joined, while Greek Cypriots rejected it.
The division left Turkish Cypriots in the north in the lurch, represented in the EU by a Greek Cypriot government that they did not elect.
Cyprus is a favorite national cause for Turkey, which has some 40,000 troops in northern Cyprus and props up the breakaway state there.
"Whatever mistake we committed, the result is a 23-year-old young, dynamic, small Republic which is absolutely necessary for the security and strategic location of Turkey," said former Turkish-Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash, a staunch nationalist.
"No one would like to see the Turkish soldiers to return to Anatolia as if they lost a war ... May God save this nation from seeing such a shame," Denktash said.
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by EUropean666 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:19 pm
DT wrote:I can respond with a few choice articles from Seder Levant of the Africa Newspaper if you like. I'll start collecting.
P.S why do they call that paper Africa?
It used to be called Avrupa but the "turkish democratic regime" decided that avrupa did not fit with the dektash's policies and decided to close his mouth. then levent changed the name to afrika to get the piss of the turks
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by EUropean666 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:21 pm
Solveit wrote:I seem to recall reading an article the other day stating that the EU is considering abolishing the veto in it's present form, resorting in almost all case to a majority voting platform.
Where will that leave Papa d then
Well veto wil be abolished only for minor issues and there is still plenty of discussion about it
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by paaul12 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:03 pm
Fig leaf
By Stavros Lygeros
Under different circumstances, Turkey’s last-minute bid to break the Cyprus deadlock would have drawn practically nothing but sarcasm. The offer was essentially the same meal reheated, albeit at a higher price. Instead of backing down, Ankara is toughening its stance.
In order to open its ports and airports to Cypriot ships and aircraft, Ankara has set the unilateral condition that the breakaway state in northern Cyprus will be allowed to trade with Europe without any control from Nicosia. That is to say, Turkey wants Nicosia to recognize the breakaway state in order to meet one of its stated obligations. What is new about Ankara’s bid is that this time Ankara is only willing to open only one sea port and an airport to Greek-Cypriot trade. The fact that the Turkish proposal was originally welcomed by the European Commission and many EU governments was not because of Turkey’s deft diplomacy. Instead, the reaction shows that some governments are looking for a fig leaf as cover to avoid the EU’s institutional obligations.
If the Europeans are tolerating Turkey’s whims, that is not because they are in any way intimidated by its verbal tirades. Nor is it a question of commercial interests. Washington and London have launched a diplomatic campaign, charging that Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos is using EU-Turkish relations to push Ankara against the ropes. Also, they declare that the EU has a chance to rid itself of the Cyprus legacy and its institutional repercussions. And they use the implementation of the protocol as a lever to force Nicosia to accept an edited version of the UN peace plan.
In truth, US and British diplomats are not animated by a desire to solve the Cyprus issue. They are concerned with keeping the EU door open for Turkey. By pushing Turkey into the EU they hope to stall the bloc’s political unification and emancipation.
By Stavros Lygeros
Under different circumstances, Turkey’s last-minute bid to break the Cyprus deadlock would have drawn practically nothing but sarcasm. The offer was essentially the same meal reheated, albeit at a higher price. Instead of backing down, Ankara is toughening its stance.
In order to open its ports and airports to Cypriot ships and aircraft, Ankara has set the unilateral condition that the breakaway state in northern Cyprus will be allowed to trade with Europe without any control from Nicosia. That is to say, Turkey wants Nicosia to recognize the breakaway state in order to meet one of its stated obligations. What is new about Ankara’s bid is that this time Ankara is only willing to open only one sea port and an airport to Greek-Cypriot trade. The fact that the Turkish proposal was originally welcomed by the European Commission and many EU governments was not because of Turkey’s deft diplomacy. Instead, the reaction shows that some governments are looking for a fig leaf as cover to avoid the EU’s institutional obligations.
If the Europeans are tolerating Turkey’s whims, that is not because they are in any way intimidated by its verbal tirades. Nor is it a question of commercial interests. Washington and London have launched a diplomatic campaign, charging that Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos is using EU-Turkish relations to push Ankara against the ropes. Also, they declare that the EU has a chance to rid itself of the Cyprus legacy and its institutional repercussions. And they use the implementation of the protocol as a lever to force Nicosia to accept an edited version of the UN peace plan.
In truth, US and British diplomats are not animated by a desire to solve the Cyprus issue. They are concerned with keeping the EU door open for Turkey. By pushing Turkey into the EU they hope to stall the bloc’s political unification and emancipation.
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