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[alexISS]

lets just wait and see

Aren't you tired of waiting and waiting and waiting?

I think the GCs will now scurry around to make a declaration of rejection, in the face of the cold shower from Germany and France and the Aresti case the GCs are starting to realize that the EU option is not all its cut out to be. Give you another 20 years and youll be begging for the adoption of the Annan plan.

More predictions?
Turkey is in the situation she is because what she "thinks" will happen, never happens (a side effect of bad diplomacy). Isn't it time you admit you are not so good at seeing the future and do like every other country does, like abandon the medieval-like political games?

[Viewpoint]

lets just wait and see

Aren't you tired of waiting and waiting and waiting?

I think the GCs will now scurry around to make a declaration of rejection, in the face of the cold shower from Germany and France and the Aresti case the GCs are starting to realize that the EU option is not all its cut out to be. Give you another 20 years and youll be begging for the adoption of the Annan plan.

More predictions?
Turkey is in the situation she is because what she "thinks" will happen, never happens (a side effect of bad diplomacy). Isn't it time you admit you are not so good at seeing the future and do like every other country does, like abandon the medieval-like political games?

really you should be the ones thinking about whats going wrong with your diplomacy and why you are not getting what you want. You obviously feel that everything is in your favor and that you are totally right, well where are the results??? its never as clear cut as would wish it to be and deluding yourself that Turkeys has no weight within EU circles is under estimating her capabilities which is always a very dangerous game to play, which you will find out to your cost.

[alexISS]

really you should be the ones thinking about whats going wrong with your diplomacy and why you are not getting what you want. You obviously feel that everything is in your favor and that you are totally right, well where are the results??? its never as clear cut as would wish it to be and deluding yourself that Turkeys has no weight within EU circles is under estimating her capabilities which is always a very dangerous game to play, which you will find out to your cost.

The results? Are you kidding me?!? Greek Cypriots are EU members and have a strong economy, thanks to hard work and good diplomacy. The Turkish Cypriots still have what the Turkish army made them settle for in 74, that is an illegal state and the hundreds of settlers from Turkey. What good did the diplomacy of Turkey do for you? Maybe military occupation is still considered a diplomatic victory in Turkey?

[MR-from-NG]

alexISS, the question from VP was clear. We know about your economy and your somewhat devious entry into the EU. Tell us now what you have achieved in your demands from the EU re the Cyprob. How sympathetic are they to you guys? How accommodating have they been to you?

My opinion, ZILCH.

[Viewpoint]

really you should be the ones thinking about whats going wrong with your diplomacy and why you are not getting what you want. You obviously feel that everything is in your favor and that you are totally right, well where are the results??? its never as clear cut as would wish it to be and deluding yourself that Turkeys has no weight within EU circles is under estimating her capabilities which is always a very dangerous game to play, which you will find out to your cost.

The results? Are you kidding me?!? Greek Cypriots are EU members and have a strong economy, thanks to hard work and good diplomacy. The Turkish Cypriots still have what the Turkish army made them settle for in 74, that is an illegal state and the hundreds of settlers from Turkey. What good did the diplomacy of Turkey do for you? Maybe military occupation is still considered a diplomatic victory in Turkey?

The economy is as fragile as the British frivolity in choosing where to spend their holidays, south Cyprus it is on the decline and with it being a major money spinner for the economy you better think of better ways to attract holiday income. The aid and support that went into the south after 1974 is another factor if we had of received the same on a par we to would be in a stronger position. Even with all the embargo we are not worse off than the new countries in the EU. But these are all second to security and a strong feeling of self determination which we have enjoyed for the past 32 years, the rest will follow in time.

As for being a full member of the EU we all know who you have thank for that dont we

Us well we are 1 zillion times better off now than we were ever living with GCs, reality my friend, reality.

[paaul12]

VP wrote:

Im just impressed with Turkeys move,

I think it was a MASTER stroke well done Turkey, Its amazing what can be achieved when you elect leaders with real vision, intelligence, you just cant stop them from achieving, unlike some other leaders.

[stuballstu]

Does seem like Turkey is trying to compare Apples with Bananas !?

How many ports in occupied Cyprus - one air, one sea ? Turkey wants 100% of the ports opened and used ?

How many ports in Turkey ? 8 sea ? 20/30 ? *

If Turkey wants to offer one sea (13% of capacity) and one air (4%) for Cyprus to use then Cyprus should counter "negotiate" as follows :

They will agree to "Ercan" being used for 15 days of the year (4%) and Famagusta in use for 48 days (13%).

Sound silly ? Well thats how Turkeys "offer" sounds to me.

* real figures requried to make sums accurate

Don't really know where you were planning to go with this one Big Dutch.

So are you saying that Turkey should open 2 docks and 2 airports to the ROC as that is all they have?

Almost a year ago Turkey offered to open her ports, airports and airspace to the ROC in return for the lifting of direct trade with the EU for Northern Cyprus. Was Turkey going far enough then?

[BigDutch]

They should unconditionally open 100% of their ports - this is what is required of them for their EU drive.

Allowing trade to pass directly into the occupied area from the EU gives recognition to the breakaway state which is against everything that has been agreed in the UN/EU in recent (30+ years) times.

The "right" thing to do is for Turkey to open 100% of its ports to all EU member traffic and to then support a movement to get the UN controlling the Famagusta seaport which will then trade directly with the EU.

I think VAROSHA to UN control and in return get "ERCAN" operating under UN supervision in the RoC FIR is stage 2.

In my opinion, both these measures will be a win-win situation for all sides.

[EUropean666]

EU has nothing to negotiate, there is not any such thing as "grand move". there are some rules and you gotta follow them or not! There is no space for an asian bazaar

[paaul12]

EU has nothing to negotiate, there is not any such thing as "grand move". there are some rules and you gotta follow them or not! There is no space for an asian bazaar

The thing is we have to live in the "real world" and this is how it works!

Did you not know that, you are in the EU now, don’t you think it is about time you realized this.

Let me tell you no one in the EU ever gets 100% of what they want, this is not the EU way. The EU way is to compromise so that every one gets something and gives up something, until you realise that FACT you will never get anything.