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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 02, 2005 9:41 pm

turkcyp wrote:6) start the property commission as described in Annan Plan, appoint its TC members and ask RoC to fill its other members. If RoC refuses to appoint members, then ask EU (or UN, or ECHR) to appoint members. Start financing all the functioning of this commission and start settling the property issue as proposed by the Annan Plan.

From thread: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=23277#23277

So what you are saying is that the TC side should begin applying the property provisions and arrangements of the Anna plan, unilaterally, even though the Annan plan was rejected in the referendum and consequently it has become null and void.

And under what authority the E.U or the UN (ECHR forget it, it is none of his business and scope) will get involved into something on which the GCs didn’t agree and thus it is null and void?
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Postby turkcyp » Mon May 02, 2005 9:52 pm

Kifeas wrote:So what you are saying is that the TC side should begin applying the property provisions and arrangements of the Anna plan, unilaterally, even though the Annan plan was rejected in the referendum and consequently it has become null and void.

And under what authority the E.U or the UN (ECHR forget it, it is none of his business and scope) will get involved into something on which the GCs didn’t agree and thus it is null and void?


Sorry Kifeas but I guess you have not seen my last post where point 6 is editted.

This property commision should be changed so that it satisfies the ECHR.

p.s. I do not expect you to like any of these proposals because quite frankly all of them are aimed at strengthening TC sides hands in the solution table. So if you oppose any of them, I understand. ;)
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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 02, 2005 10:36 pm

turkcyp wrote:Sorry Kifeas but I guess you have not seen my last post where point 6 is editted.

This property commision should be changed so that it satisfies the ECHR.

p.s. I do not expect you to like any of these proposals because quite frankly all of them are aimed at strengthening TC sides hands in the solution table. So if you oppose any of them, I understand.



No, is not a problem for me personally whether I am opposing them or not. I am trying to figure out whether they are practical and truly implemental or not.
In other words you are saying ignore proposal no:6 and consider the one below for the purposes of the ECHR.


turkcyp wrote:6) Edit. The property commission will be responsible to TRNC courts, and make it compatible to ECHR demands. Change laws in TRNC so that every foreigner including GC can come and obtain property in north. If GCs apply to property board return them all of their land (minus the property that is already inhabited by others as residential, and property that is substantially improved) and pay the rest (the portion which is not returned back) to GCs as fair market prices (payment should not be made as giving them deeds of TC property in the south).


Therefore that means that “TRNC” should change it’s constitution and subsequent laws, which call all GC properties to belong to the “TRNC,” acknowledge that they in fact now belong to the original GC owners, wave out (cancel) all the title deeds that it issued for these GC properties, freeze all the on going transactions affecting these properties and take back from the current holders or all subsequent buyers all the title deeds that it has previously issued as well as the properties themselves.

Otherwise how will this property commission will be able to reinstate to all the GC owners their properties (except as you said those properties that are used as residences,) according to the ECHR requirements?

Is that feasible for the “TRNC” do such a thing?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 02, 2005 10:52 pm

Impossible :roll:
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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 02, 2005 11:00 pm

Impossible what?
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Postby uzan » Mon May 02, 2005 11:07 pm

[quote="Kifeas"

Therefore that means that “TRNC” should change it’s constitution and subsequent laws, which call all GC properties to belong to the “TRNC,” acknowledge that they in fact now belong to the original GC owners, wave out (cancel) all the title deeds that it issued for these GC properties, freeze all the on going transactions affecting these properties and take back from the current holders or all subsequent buyers all the title deeds that it has previously issued as well as the properties themselves.

Otherwise how will this property commission will be able to reinstate to all the GC owners their properties (except as you said those properties that are used as residences,) according to the ECHR requirements?

Is that feasible for the “TRNC” do such a thing?[/quote]



Sorry Kifeas, that is impossible.We dont want to live together and we do not trust gc but we can only live side by side like 2 good neigbours.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 02, 2005 11:16 pm

Kifeas
Is that feasible for the “TRNC” do such a thing?


Viewpoint
Impossible


Kifeas
Impossible what?


uzan
Sorry Kifeas, that is impossible.We dont want to live together and we do not trust gc but we can only live side by side like 2 good neigbours.


Why do you not address the above issue, which is very valid as you can see and encounter on this forum, you are no nearer agreeing on anything than you were the first day you joined. Give up and accept recognized partition, its the only real solution available to us all.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 02, 2005 11:27 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas
Is that feasible for the “TRNC” do such a thing?


Viewpoint
Impossible


Kifeas
Impossible what?


uzan
Sorry Kifeas, that is impossible.We dont want to live together and we do not trust gc but we can only live side by side like 2 good neigbours.


Why do you not address the above issue, which is very valid as you can see and encounter on this forum, you are no nearer agreeing on anything than you were the first day you joined. Give up and accept recognized partition, its the only real solution available to us all.


Why you do not direct your comments to Turkcyp? It is Turkcyp that considers it possible, not me. What I was only doing is to prove to him how impossible his suggestion is, regarding the property commission.
Better read the entire thread before replying like silly-billy.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 02, 2005 11:34 pm

uzan wrote:Sorry Kifeas, that is impossible.We dont want to live together and we do not trust gc but we can only live side by side like 2 good neigbours.


I will agree with your proposal for partition if:
a.) you provide me with the results of a referendum in which only TC will participate (no settlers) and which indicates that majority of TCs approves partition.
b.) You provide me with a map of the 18% of the territory of Cyprus which you wish to keep after the partition.
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Postby uzan » Mon May 02, 2005 11:36 pm

.[/quote]viewpoint

Why do you not address the above issue, which is very valid as you can see and encounter on this forum, you are no nearer agreeing on anything than you were the first day you joined. Give up and accept recognized partition, its the only real solution available to us all.

I am sorry viewpont I think you didnt understand me,or the day before I wrote %100 I am agry with you partition the only real solution for us,and just fewminute ago I sad we cant live together only side by side 2 state.
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