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Best left to the UN and not the EU, read it a weep!!!!

Postby paaul12 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:17 pm

France and Germany step back from harsher sanctions against Turkey
By Jean Christou
(archive article - Wednesday, December 6, 2006)

GERMANY and France yesterday went back on plans to ask for a new 18-month deadline for Ankara to open its ports and airports to Cyprus, rejecting the idea of setting ultimatums for Turkey’s accession course.

The announcement came only hours after the Cyprus government welcomed the proposal made on Monday by German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

The u-turn came after EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn had pleaded with Paris and Berlin not to request any more deadlines from Turkey. He said the Cyprus issue was best left to the UN and not the EU.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan also telephoned Merkel hours before she was to meet French President Jacques Chirac. “I reminded her what the costs of a wrong step could be,” Erdogan told the parliamentary group of his Justice and Development Party.

“I told her that we hope such a historic mistake will not occur at the summit of EU leaders on December 14-15” he said.

Speaking at a joint news conference with Chirac and Polish President Lech Kaczynski in Germany yesterday, Merkel told reporters: "Our goal is that the Ankara Protocol [on regular trade with the 10 new EU members] will be implemented.”

"We don't want to set any kind of ultimatum," Merkel added.

Chriac added: "The position of France is exactly that which the Chancellor has just described and I believe that Poland's position is not very far away from ours."

Turkey is obliged to open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot traffic under the EU customs union protocol. Ankara has remained defiant, creating a dilemma for the EU.

EU foreign ministers are due to decide on Monday what sanctions to impose on Ankara. There is a proposal to freeze eight of Turkey’s 35 chapters that are relevant to the protocol and to Cyprus.

Reuters quoted a source in Chirac’s office as saying that France, not fully satisfied with the Commission's idea of partially suspending negotiations, wanted a "rendezvous clause" that would effectively set a deadline for Turkey to comply with EU demands.

But Merkel, under pressure from EU countries that oppose the idea, avoided any mention of hard deadlines for Turkey. Instead, she said Germany would lobby for the EU to issue a new report on Turkish compliance by the period beginning with Turkey's elections next autumn but no later than in 2009.

Government Spokesman Christodoulos Pashiardis said yesterday he had no comment on the latest developments but Foreign Minister George Lillikas told Reuters in Brussels that while he did not support ending talks with Turkey, the Union had a duty to be firm. "If we want Turkey to be reformed, we should take serious sanctions,” he said.

Earlier in the day, prior to Merkel’s u-turn, Pashiardis said the German proposal had the government’s full support.

''If elections in Turkey next year are considered a preventive factor towards the implementation of the Turkish commitments, the period of 18 months suggested by Germany provides Ankara the easiness to respond to the obligations it has undertaken without pretending to face any internal difficulty or any political cost,” Pashiardis told his daily briefing.

“After this period there will be no excuse for Turkey failing to comply with the European obligation.”

Commenting on Rehn’s statement urging France and Germany not to pressure Ankara with deadlines, Pashiardis said the demand for Turkey to fulfil its EU obligations could not be considered pressure.

“On the contrary, pressure is the demand of some not to annoy Ankara regarding its refusal to comply,” he said.

“None of this was related to the Cyprus issue,” Pashiardis said. “Right now what is being examined is the behaviour of Turkey towards the EU and not the course of the Cyprus question.”

Turkey yesterday urged the EU to avoid making “a historic mistake” next week when Ankara’s progress comes under scrutiny, warning that a new deadline on Cyprus would have a “negative impact”.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2006

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Postby DT. » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:21 pm

whats your point? If Turkey doesn't open the ports it doesn;t get in.

Once again whats your point?
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Postby paaul12 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:01 pm

The point is, isn’t it wonderful to watch these super powerful countries the ones who think they run the EU just ditching their demands once Turkey steps up the pace.

First we had a train crash, which turned out to be JUST the train slowing down. Next we had France and Germany demanding an 18 month deadline to open the ports, that was yesterday and today it is "We don't want to set any kind of ultimatum," on Turkey.

That’s my point!
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Postby growuptcs » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:14 pm

pauul12, dont mistaken kindness for weakness. The EU wont come straight out and tell Turkey that shes nuts for thinking she can move past the Cyprus issue and still be on track. If you get all your Borat politicians and military out of office, you might just get somewhere.
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Postby stuballstu » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:59 pm

growuptcs

Kindness is not weakness. What makes you think that the EU is showing Turkey either?

The facts of the matter are that the EU, by its own admittance, does not have the mechanism to deal with the Cyprus problem. It also leaves itself open to questions regards its impartiality. Lets be honest it has gone on for the last 30+ years do you think the EU has a magic wand and will succeed where the UN has failed so far?

It is in Cyprus and Greece's interest for Turkey to be accepted into the EU and not to repel them. That old saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Who knows they might actually get to like each other.

The day may come soon that the Greek Cypriots will rue the "no" vote. There government has failed them promising more concessions from Turkey during their EU process. What has changed during the EU process? There has been a lot of huffing and puffing but instead of blowing a house down it has all been "hot air".

Another quick point, if the European Courts decide that the property commission in the north is suitable to deal with GC property claims what do refugees do now?
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Postby growuptcs » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:35 pm

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Another quick point, if the European Courts decide that the property commission in the north is suitable to deal with GC property claims what do refugees do now?


Stuballstu, don't call me a pessimist, or a racist by saying that the property commission that is set up is just as illegal as the TRNC.
Are we playing monopoly here? You cant just erase GC's ancestoral and presently owned land JUST for your own interests. Wheres the medium? Your ready to go to the next steps and not look back to the inhumane steps that you never covered or closed with the GC's. If the TRNC is illegal, what makes you think the toothfairy property commission will be legal?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:52 pm

Its an internal remedy which has been proven to work applications have been processed and settled and there are more in the pipe line. The fact that commission is the TRNC bears no fact on recognition, the ECHR is looking to see if the GCs have somewhere to go and settle there 1400 cases, and the question still stands what will you do if the commission is given the green light?
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Postby paaul12 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:59 pm

what makes you think the toothfairy property commission will be legal?



Why, that will be the ECHR ofcourse.

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Postby Piratis » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:20 pm

There are 25 members and all need to agree. Lets wait and see what all of them will say.

What is for sure is that RoC will have to take something in return if it is going to allow softer measures against Turkey. One of the things RoC will probably get is an end to any kind of discussion regarding the lifting of the "isolation" and all that.

So it is not a question of if the Turks will lose out of this, it is just a question of how much they will lose. And of course if they will lose less than expected then paaul and others can celebrate that all their begging has not been wasted.
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Postby bg_turk » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:56 pm

Piratis wrote:
So it is not a question of if the Turks will lose out of this, it is just a question of how much they will lose. And of course if they will lose less than expected then paaul and others can celebrate that all their begging has not been wasted.


You are a bitter, aren't you? :lol:
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