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[pitsilos]

all lot of talk lately about the gcs not negotiating directly with tcs.

but the question is. do the tcs have the power to negotiate the cyprus problem?

because from what we all read the tcs is just a puppet government.

how can the tcs dictate any tems for a settlement when the turkish generals control everything?

[cypezokyli]

imo the tc are not as dependant as we think they are.
and they are not as independant as they think they are

[zan]

all lot of talk lately about the gcs not negotiating directly with tcs.

but the question is. do the tcs have the power to negotiate the cyprus problem?

because from what we all read the tcs is just a puppet government.

how can the tcs dictate any tems for a settlement when the turkish generals control everything?

So you honestly think that Tpap negotiates without influence by any other outside interference.

[DT.]

influence yes....orders no.

[zan]

influence yes....orders no.

It amounts to the same thing DT. Look what nearly happened to the last leader that tried to go against what Greece wanted. The Americans and the British operate in the same way and look at the radioactive poisoning fiasco with the Russians at the moment. If you think that Tpap is acting on his own initiative then........

I agree with you that in some cases the army looked as if they are running the show but they are not. The only thing that they have issued a statement as a warning is after the recent reshuffle in the TRNC government and that was to remind the government about the secular status of Turkey and that of TRNC. The influence is coming from the Government of Turkey and its control over the army just like every where else in the world including the RoC.

[Viewpoint]

Think of it has a great partnership where both sides work together for a predetermined goal. Something we never had with the GCs. Of course here influence is important and Talat will step in when necessary. GCs would make a grave mistake if they under estimate the influence and power of TCs because they are not afraid to air their views which you have seen in the past meetings, if they believe in something strongly enough they will fight for it. Unfortunately over the last 32 years (excluding the Annan plan) Gcs have made no endeavours to work together with TCs their main aim to to ensure the restrictions are maintained on the north, what have you gotten in return for this action, nothing. Well maybe its time the GC leadership got out of the 1960s mentality and considered another more European approach encouraging TCs to see that a united future would be best for all concerned or just be honest and admit they do not want reunification and are milking the current situation for all its worth.

[DT.]

VP, you've stated on numeorus occassions that you are against reunification Why do you accusse the GC's of doing something you yourself are in support off?

DO i have it wrong? Are you pro-unification?

[Piratis]

I will give you just one example of the "power" of TCs.

Before the referendum the leader of TCs was the "president" Denctash, and he was against the Annan plan. Turkey was in favor of the Annan plan. So Turkey decided that the leader of TCs was not the "president" anymore, but the "prime minister" and Denctash after decades of being the leader, he was brushed aside the moment that he lost the support of Turkey.

Can you imagine a foreign country deciding that from today our leader is not our president but the Chairman of the parliament?

Viewpoint and Zan can say whatever they want, the fact remains that the so called "trnc" is nothing more than an illegal puppet state of Turkey and that all important decisions come directly from Ankara and the military generals.

TCs have only one kind of power, and that is to affect the public opinion in Turkey which in turn can affect the results of the Turkish elections.

However Turkey has that covered as well: Every leader of the "trnc" should be pre-aproved by them otherwise he has no chance of getting elected, they brought large numbers of Turkish settlers while at the same time 1000s of TCs emigrated abroad which means that in occupied Cyprus they have the "right kind" of population that wouldn't go against them, the constant brainwashing of TCs during the last 32 years guarantees that very few TCs will ever be able to see that their own interests and well being are actually in conflict with the interests of the Turkish army in Cyprus.

So you honestly think that Tpap negotiates without influence by any other outside interference.

There is a great difference between not being able to enforce your decisions due to the lack of power (what happens to all small countries in their conflicts with the larger ones), and not being able to even take a decision because all important policies come from abroad, which is the case for the pseudo puppet state of Turkey in the occupied areas.

Papadopoulos and the leadership of RoC serve and fight for the interests of Cyprus. On the other hand, any leadership in the so called "trnc" should follow the directions that serve the interests of Turkey in general, and especially the Turkish army, since for Turkey (internally) TCs are considered as a tiny population of a small district and they would never act in a way that would serve the interests of this tiny population and go against their own strategic interests in the area.

[Viewpoint]

VP, you've stated on numeorus occassions that you are against reunification Why do you accusse the GC's of doing something you yourself are in support off?

DO i have it wrong? Are you pro-unification?

I will state it again for the record that I am pro agreed partition as that is the only solution that we "Cypriots" can realistically achieve. It does not take a genius to work out that after 43 years of "negotiations" there is no reunification solution that both communities can commit to. I am willing to be persuaded otherwise that is the main reason I joined this forum to test my own viewpoint and the majority of GCs have proved me right that we will never be able to join together as 1 country because we lack the vision desire and capability of making sacrifices necessary to build a united Cyprus.

[DT.]

Well maybe its time the GC leadership got out of the 1960s mentality and considered another more European approach encouraging TCs to see that a united future would be best for all concerned or just be honest and admit they do not want reunification and are milking the current situation for all its worth.

If you're pro partition then why do you want GC's to show TC's that a united future would be best for all???????