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[Viewpoint]

To prove me wrong, if they can which I doubt and question very much.

[DT.]

SO let me get this straight. You've already made up your mind that you don't want unification and yet you come in this forum every day accussing the GC's of believing in what you believe and acting the way you're acting?

Its sounds a little pompous to me to sit there with your arms folded and declare to the world that we must prove you wrong??

If you believe what you believe in then thats fine. You carry that and argue for it. But don't sit back in your disguised "I'm trying my best to get on with you" attitude and continue GC bashing against arguments YOU YOURSELF should have the honesty to argue for.

Sorry if it sounds like i lost my rag with you but I'm just amazed at the 2-faceness in order to score a few more points against the other side.

[Viewpoint]

SO let me get this straight. You've already made up your mind that you don't want unification and yet you come in this forum every day accussing the GC's of believing in what you believe and acting the way you're acting?

Its sounds a little pompous to me to sit there with your arms folded and declare to the world that we must prove you wrong??

If you believe what you believe in then thats fine. You carry that and argue for it. But don't sit back in your disguised "I'm trying my best to get on with you" attitude and continue GC bashing against arguments YOU YOURSELF should have the honesty to argue for.

Sorry if it sounds like i lost my rag with you but I'm just amazed at the 2-faceness in order to score a few more points against the other side.

Good point...

But I can assure I represent a large chunk of TCs with the same mentality who on paper know full well that there is just noway the two sides can even agree an Olympic torch going from south to north let alone run a country together but question and test whether their viewpoint can be over turned or by listening to the other side they can see their own faults or misconceptions. Don't you ever question your beliefs? or do you go blindly ahead no matter what? maybe its GCs like yourself that need from time to time to question if they are right in their beliefs and listen to the other sides viewpoint whether or not they agree with it. I have learnt many things about the GCs point of view since joining this forum even its just to reconfirm what I already knew its been an eye opener believe me.

[DT.]

I question my beliefs constantly, its the fact that you use yours for the wrong reasons i have a problem with. I think somewhere along the line you stopped coming to the forum to see if your opinion changes and it turned into a point scoring game.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint and his similar are fighting for partition since before the 50s and at no point did they question their "dream".

They follow blindly the direction that came from Ankara.

The Turkish policy until recently has been "the Cyprus problem was solved in 1974".

Then in 2004, with the accession of Cyprus in EU, Turkey realized it had a problem. So they changed from the "Cyprus problem was solved in 1974" to "lets keep talking about how to solve the problem".

This "keep talking" is the essence of their current policy. In practice it means that they will never agree for anything less than partition (they made up their mind looong time ago) but they don't want to declare it as clearly as they used to, so they will allow this "keep talking" to drug forever with no result.

They hope that in this way they can proceed in their EU accession since the solution of the Cyprus problem is supposedly "in-progress" and meanwhile the Americans that control the UN to blame Greek Cypriots for the non-solution, as they tried to do with the Annan plan which they presented as a "unification" plan, while in fact it was an American made partition plan which had as an aim to blame GCs for the non-solution and give an excuse to Turkey.

Any discussions with people like Viewpoint or the TC leadership is a total waste of time, since what they want is partition and nothing less.

The conclusion is that there will not be a solution in the short term. However if we act correctly (and stop waisting our time with Viewpoint etc) then we can make sure that those who act illegally in Cyprus (TCs/Turkey) are the ones who are harmed the most by their insistence on these illegalities.

Then when the right time will come in 10, 20 or 50 years, we will be able to enforce legality on our island and take our land back from those that illegally occupy it.

[Viewpoint]

I question my beliefs constantly, its the fact that you use yours for the wrong reasons i have a problem with. I think somewhere along the line you stopped coming to the forum to see if your opinion changes and it turned into a point scoring game.

So you feel I should not question my beliefs on the exact same platform as those that have the opposite view, I surely cant do this people who agree with me, wouldn't be any point. If there was no viewpoints to put across the other side of the story then where would you be? agreeing amongst yourselves but not achieving much. It is people like me the average TC who stops to question his beliefs you could if your arguments were valid win over but your approach is to close your eyes and ears to people like me, trying to exclude our opinions as if they don't count, well I have news for you, they do just as much as yours.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

The conclusion is that there will not be a solution in the short term. However if we act correctly (and stop waisting our time with Viewpoint etc) then we can make sure that those who act illegally in Cyprus (TCs/Turkey) are the ones who are harmed the most by their insistence on these illegalities.

Then when the right time will come in 10, 20 or 50 years, we will be able to enforce legality on our island and take our land back from those that illegally occupy it.

Do what you have to do Piratis, do your worst but dont think for one minute we will just sit back and wait, we to will be busy .

[DT.]

I question my beliefs constantly, its the fact that you use yours for the wrong reasons i have a problem with. I think somewhere along the line you stopped coming to the forum to see if your opinion changes and it turned into a point scoring game.

So you feel I should not question my beliefs on the exact same platform as those that have the opposite view, I surely cant do this people who agree with me, wouldn't be any point. If there was no viewpoints to put across the other side of the story then where would you be? agreeing amongst yourselves but not achieving much. It is people like me the average TC who stops to question his beliefs you could if your arguments were valid win over but your approach is to close your eyes and ears to people like me, trying to exclude our opinions as if they don't count, well I have news for you, they do just as much as yours.

VP no one said your opinion doesn't count. Just get over this "I'm an innocent wide-eyed TC who's been made cynical by those nasty GC's " no one has made you cynical but yourself. If you keep hitting a brickwall with someone then have a look at yourself as well. Its not always the other people..

[paaul12]

do the tcs have the power?

YES

[Viewpoint]

I question my beliefs constantly, its the fact that you use yours for the wrong reasons i have a problem with. I think somewhere along the line you stopped coming to the forum to see if your opinion changes and it turned into a point scoring game.

So you feel I should not question my beliefs on the exact same platform as those that have the opposite view, I surely cant do this people who agree with me, wouldn't be any point. If there was no viewpoints to put across the other side of the story then where would you be? agreeing amongst yourselves but not achieving much. It is people like me the average TC who stops to question his beliefs you could if your arguments were valid win over but your approach is to close your eyes and ears to people like me, trying to exclude our opinions as if they don't count, well I have news for you, they do just as much as yours.

VP no one said your opinion doesn't count. Just get over this "I'm an innocent wide-eyed TC who's been made cynical by those nasty GC's " no one has made you cynical but yourself. If you keep hitting a brickwall with someone then have a look at yourself as well. Its not always the other people..

Very clever DT you are just returning my question back to me without applying it to yourself. It appears you do continue on without stopping to think or question your own viewpoint. I don't feel I am cynical at all, being a realist is closer to what I have become and not kidding myself or anyone else that one sunny day a solution will just drop from the sky that all Cypriots can commit to. We are incapable of agreeing a solution, because we do not want it enough to compromise the current status quo. Why doesn't your leader take a bold step and publicly ask the TCs to fill their places in the "RoC", why don't the TCs abolish the TRNC? no side really want a solution if they did it would have happened many years ago.