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Postby pantheman » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:02 pm

Heres something to think about :

Evidence has emerged that British undercover forces were involved in fomenting the conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots ten years before the 1974 partition of Cyprus.

The new evidence found by BBC Radio 4's programme Document centres on the mystery of Ted Macey, a British army major who was abducted, presumed killed by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries.

I had no strong expectation that we would find the Turkish Cypriot village. We had a 40-year-old British army map, bearing only the old Greek names. Our guide, Martin Packard, had not been here for decades. The countryside was deserted, no one spoke English, and night had fallen.

In 1964, Martin was a naval intelligence officer, sent to Cyprus to do an extraordinary job. Fighting had broken out in the capital, Nicosia, between Greeks and Turks.

Unrest spread, and the British troops in Cyprus stepped in to keep the peace. But the British General, Peter Young, thought that peace meant more than keeping the two sides apart. He believed the communities could live side by side, sometimes in mixed villages, as they had for centuries.

But that meant small disputes had to be prevented from turning into big ones. Gen Young appointed Martin, a fluent Greek speaker, as a roving trouble-shooter and negotiator. With two officers from the mainland Greek and Turkish armies, he roamed the north of Cyprus by helicopter, settling disputes.

Diplomacy

We eventually found the village, and even an interpreter. Here, in Easter 1964, Martin had resolved a conflict over a flock of sheep, stolen from the Turkish villages by their Greek Cypriots neighbours. Martin tracked down the flock in a Greek village.

But none of the Turkish Cypriots were prepared to come with him to get them. So he went himself. He took the youngest lamb and flung it across his shoulder. The mother followed, and so did the rest of the flock.

"I walked a very long way, I was very tired, leading this flock of sheep," he said. "We arrived at the village and all of the villagers rushed out as if I were Moses coming back with some great message."

The old men of the village remembered the incident, but were not conspicuously grateful. It was a good thing Martin had got their sheep back, they said, grudgingly, because otherwise they were planning to steal a Greek flock in retaliation.

Martin believes such small episodes were the key to preventing the island drifting towards ethnic separation. But, he says, this was not what the Americans and British had in mind.

He recalls being asked to take a visiting US politician, acting secretary of state George Ball, around the island. Arriving back in Nicosia, says Martin, "Ball patted me on the back, as though I were sadly deluded and he said: That was a fantastic show son, but you've got it all wrong, hasn't anyone told you that our plan here is for partition?"

Undaunted, Martin pursued plans to move Turkish Cypriots back to the villages they had fled. But just as the first resettlement was about to take place, British General Michael Carver had him arrested and flown off the island - in an unmarked CIA plane.

The ostensible reason was that Cyprus had become too dangerous for Martin to operate in; the evidence given was that a British liaison officer, Major Ted Macey, had been abducted and presumed murdered just a few days before.

All the evidence points to the murder having been carried out by Greek Cypriot extremists.

In the Public Record Office in London, I found files showing that British military commanders in Cyprus had received "very reliable information" that Major Macey's abduction was planned "by Greek security forces with approval of high government circles and connivance of the police to extract information about Turkish invasion plans".

The Greek Cypriots were convinced that Major Macey was aiding the Turks.

Listening bases

Could it be true? I spoke to a former Para who accompanied Major Macey on expeditions to Turkish Cypriot villages. There, says the Para, he demonstrated the use of British ammunition and sub-machine guns to the Turkish Cypriot irregular forces.

I also tracked down one of Major Macey's former drivers, who showed me a curious note, in the major's handwriting. It is a list of arms and explosives being stored in civilian premises in Nicosia: arms, says the driver, which Major Macey had supplied, under British orders, to the Turkish fighters.

So did the peacekeeping forces, and the big powers, really want Cyprus to remain an independent, unitary state? Or was it more important to head off the threat of a "Mediterranean Cuba" by keeping the island within Turkey's - and hence Nato's - sphere of influence?

Britain had, and has, electronic listening bases on the island - important parts of the Nato intelligence effort.

Nicos Koshis, a former justice minister, thinks that it was those bases that determined the fate of the island: "It is my feeling they wanted to have fighting between the two sides. They didn't want us to get together. If the communities come together maybe in the future we say no bases in Cyprus."

source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4632080.stm

Ever since the Turkish army invaded and occupied Northern Cyprus in 1974, the partition of the island between ethnic Greeks and Turks has seemed set in stone.

But the first green line, through the capital, was drawn ten years earlier, by a British general -- using a green chinagraph pencil that happened to be at hand. Throughout 1964, British troops were on the island, supposedly for peace-keeping. But were they really bringing peace? In this programme, Mike Thomson examine new documents that suggest that the real motives of some of the peacekeepers were less than honourable. New documents uncovered by the programme reveal the existence of a spy ring of British troops who were materially aiding Turkish insurgents by gun-running and spying on Greek Cypriot military installations. Although one of the men was caught by the Greek Cypriots, the rest were spirited off the island by the British authorities before the Cypriot police could interrogate them.

The programme also investigates the long-standing mystery of a British army major who was abducted, presumed murdered, by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries. New documentary evidence uncovered by the programme shows that he, too, was aware of illicit gun-running on behalf of the Turks; and that, although the British authorities had good intelligence about the identities of his murderers, they chose not to press the Greek Cypriot authorities to investigate the case.

Many Greek Cypriots have long believed that the Nato powers, notably Britain and America , were opposed to the idea of an independent Cyprus because of fears that it could fall into communist hands and become a "Mediterranean Cuba" - a scenario that would have put at risk British electronic spying bases on the island. The programme assesses the evidence that pro-American elements on the island in 1964 actively conspired to foment inter-communal strife in order to justify the effective partition of the island - a situation that came to pass in 1974.


source : http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/doc ... 0123.shtml

Now tell me that ENOSIS was to blame for turkey coming to cyprus !

As I aleays suspect the UK and USA together with Turkey screwed cyprus.

read and believe

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Postby zan » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:28 pm

pantheman

All of that has been discussed here and on other forums and is well known. It has no baring though on the formation of EOKA and the aim of ENOSIS. The British did not form that movement and they were not the ones that killed thousands of Cypriots both TC and GC. They did not help but if Makarios, the very first President of Cyprus had not had plans of his own and had taken both communities to his heart the British would not have had a foothold in Cyprus.
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Postby pantheman » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:34 pm

Hello Zan,

you are still the funny man, just keep telling yourself that and we can have a good laugh ! :D

Come on, when the british are writing this shit about the british, it is telling something. I can imagine it has been discussed previously, but i posted it in contrast to the many TC posts on enosis being the blame for all this.

I agree it didn't help but the climate was created where is could and go wrong just like the bitish had planned.

The truth hurts doesn't it ????

I liked you better when you posted you jokes, keep it up.

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Postby zan » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:37 am

I am happy that you enjoy my jokes, here is another one.

The whole thing was started by a donkey by the name of EYO-EYO-EYO-KA. He was fed up with the occupation of Cyprus by the British and the Cypriots. He sent in waves of suicide bomber donkeys to blow up government buildings but at the end of the day no one suspected the donkeys and thought they were just victims of the blast and that the Greeks must have done it. The Greeks denied this of course and blamed the Turks. The British blamed both. The head of the donkeys donned a beard and became the president of Cyprus. From there on in they waged war against the humans on the island and many were seen carrying loads of guns on their backs all over Cyprus. Of course if they were seen by any one of the three sides it was immediately thought that the enemy were responsible so the donkeys were able to carry on their work without fear of reprisal. Some donkey trains were stopped and the guns were taken but the donkeys just played dumb and pretended to eat the grass that was near by. Some donkeys broke rank and decided to make a stand and when captured refused to budge an inch. The others watched on as these donkeys were pushed and shoved and even whipped into submission but never a word was uttered for the sake of the cause. Unfortunately for their leader the president, Greece found out that he was a donkey and tried to assassinate him but the president was rescued by British animal rights activists and smuggled to England for safety. The rest, as they say is history. There may be fewer donkeys on the island but they are watching you..............
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Postby humanist » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:58 am

Pantheman, the fact that the British are behind the Cyprus situation is a well known fact. It all started when Cypriots got fed up with colonisation abd began to revolt. They needed that bases and hence today's problem.

Dare I say that the reason Cyprus is divided today is that the British know that is a solution to the Cyprus problem is found they are likely to have to surender the bases and hence no solution to be found.

They are cunning maipulating and covertly corrupt causing much pain and suffering where they go. Name me one clolony of their's where there is no suffering and pain experinced by the indigenous people. Austrlia? Cyprus? Sri Lanka? India? Nigeria?

Even their Prime Ministers wife supports stealing of Refugee land for the profit of some.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:50 am

The flag of the British is known as 'The Butcher's Apron' in the southern states of Ireland, the people there have a poignant poem regarding that flag..................."Wherever there is poverty, oppression and despair, war,division, hatred, the 'Butcher's Apron' has been there. :( :( :( :( :(
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Postby THE HIGHLANDER » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:08 am

CYPRUS IS A BEAUTIFUL WARM COUNTRY AS ARE THE PEOPLE AND LONG MAY THAT CONTINUE SO COME ON YOU LOT STOP DIGGING UP THE PAST AND LOOK TO THE PROSPEROUS FUTURE THIS COUNTRY HAS AND FORGET THE BY GONE DAYS WHATS DONE IS DONE AND NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE THAT ITS THE FUTURE OF MY ADOPTED COUNTRY THAT I PERSONALY LOOK FORWARD TO A STRONG ECONOMY MORE INWARD INVESTMENT AND THE RECONITION IN EUROPE THIS COUNTRY DESERVES !!!!!!!!!!
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Postby pantheman » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:08 am

Hey Zan,

you done it again, i got a chuckle, but this time you added another element, and it is called bullsh#t. Ha Ha Ha, keep up the comedy stand, you never know you may make a good living out of it. Just don't keep mocking the pain and suffering that the many thousands have experience uder this situation.

Highlander,

welcome to the forum, you need to do mor research before you make your comments. Here is a question and then tell me you can apply the advice you gave ;

How would you feel if you were evicted from you home, you mother/sister raped, you father/brother/uncle murdered or missing and you your children never to be able to return to the home??

Now tell me to let bygones be bygones.

You need to get real, yes we all want whats good for this country, but there has been a price to pay.

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Postby THE HIGHLANDER » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:47 pm

Hi Pantheman,
Your right mate i most certainly do need to read up on the history of the conflics in Cyprus but i would rather hear it from the horses mouth rather than a book maybe we could meet up sometime over a pint and you could tell me all about it first hand then i would have the answer to both sides of the story as there is two sides to this story is'nt there? Maybe not in your eyes? Incidently my grandmother and her friend were murdered by a TC soldier on leave in Limassol then the drunken soldier lost control of his bike mounted the pavement on October Road in june 1985 and killed them both my grandfather got no compensation from either the Cypriot or Turkish Government and the soldier claimed diplomatic amunity and served a 3 month jail sentence in Turkey.
A year later my grandad commited suicide taking his own life as he could cope no longer with the loss of the love of his life and his chiidhood sweetheart and kept blaiming himself for my grannys death. Image
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Postby BOF » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:04 pm

pantheman wrote:
Highlander,

welcome to the forum, you need to do mor research before you make your comments. Here is a question and then tell me you can apply the advice you gave ;

How would you feel if you were evicted from you home, you mother/sister raped, you father/brother/uncle murdered or missing and you your children never to be able to return to the home??

Now tell me to let bygones be bygones.

You need to get real, yes we all want whats good for this country, but there has been a price to pay.

Pantheman


The same human disaster scenario has happened all over the world at some time or other and continues to happen.....
Poland with Germany.
Lithuania with russia.
Russia with germany.
kuwait with iraq.
scotland with england.
iraq with america.
Arabia with turkey.
The list goes on and on...and continues to this day.
While people grow old and pass their hatred onto their children the world will never change or will human nature.
Remember it was the british media that uncovered this story...and informed the world. How many other countries do you think would allow this to happen even in this day and age?
So do we punish the british in Cyprus now for what happened over 40 years ago without the general publics knowledge?
Would you like them to feel unwelcome and sell up and go home and not visit Cyprus as a holiday destination?
As for the comments of blair.........just remember 1 MILLION people demonstrated against the iraq war( before it started) in the U.K.
he is discredited as being a liar and most people cannot wait to see the back of him..
And i think highlander is a giant amonst men...he has his own cross to bear.
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