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[humanist]

Kifeas, that is a very clear and coincise argument. Thank you for the intellectual stimulation in reading it.

[mehmet]

Humanist,

I have no disagreement with you re your wishes for the future.

I do have to point out that in the context of events in the past the Turkish army were welcomed as liberators by Turkish Cypriots.

Ecevit acted from his own conviction and presented the British and Americans with a fait accompli. Previous to that I don't think the Americans were unhappy about the prospect of Makarios being removed from power by the Greek dictators.

Now to go from the current state of affairs to the future we both desire is the tricky part. The Finnish mediator now says he beleives the EU can only assist in the process not drive it and has stated the UN is the body that can facilitate this. Annan is gone and I hope the next time there is a proposal put for a solution it is embraced more enthusiatically as a step in the right direction.

[humanist]

I am affraid even if there is a solution proposal ......... the posts on this forum have indicated that there is so much hate among us that we are still goining to be separated ... so a solution appears to be only on paper ... that my friend is a sad state of affairs.

[mehmet]

I expect what you say is correct, when a minor school incident becomes publicised in order to excite passions and bring about 20 pages of discussion on this forum it is an indication of the task ahead. In that sense Piratis is correct yet there are many in both communities who use incidents like an arsonist uses a piece of cloth dipped in petrol, they light the match and escape to enjoy hostility they have created.

In general the public are let down by the politicians and it will be a brave person who can try and show people the light through the fog of mistrust.

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps you lived through it too Viewpoint, some 1400 years ago, so the group of idiots gets
larger and larger.

By the way didn’t I tell you you are wasting my time and I have nothing to talk with you anymore?

Here we found you a perfect partner, have you silly talks with Klik from now on.

Klik is a reflection of what many GCs really feel, a product of your own system, GCs only expose their real face, when under pressure by the reality before them. He is young and does not know how to be two faced he says what he really means not like you who hides behind a facade of deceit and lies. This is not only dangerous for us but also yourselves as you saw and experienced in 1974, you have to be honest with yourself first and then try to show the same sincerity and truthfulness to others, this you obviously cannot do.

[Viewpoint]

Mehmet , thank you for your response. Hoever I do belive I have been misunderstood. We may not choose our ethnicity but we can certainly choose how much we identify with it.

I believe that I have been consistent with my posts. I believe that Cyprus needs to be United and that All Cypriots live in peace and harmony. With the values of freedom, equality and equity in all spheres of Cypriot life, economic, spiritual, political, social and health.

I have not anywhere indicated that I have any issues with Turkish Speaking Cypriots. I do have a problem with Turkey's occupation of Cyprus.

My view is that Turkey's occupation of Cyprus has nothing to do with the protection of Turkish Speaking Cypriots. I draw this conclussion from the posts that indicate that Turksih Cypriots experince a slight form of dictatorship from Turkey and its army, and that they are disadvantaged in economic growth and infrastructure. To this end I conclude that Turskish Speaking Cypriots are used as an excuse for Turkey's own benefits. I also acknowledge that British and American interests lie, behind Turkey's invasion of Cyprus.

I acknowledge that Turkish Speaking Cypriots experinecd undue discrimination in the 1960's as Greek Cypriots had in the 1970's. So do you want to concentrate on vitctimhood and not move forward to a United Cyprus where all its people are free and share tha beautiful Island or do you want people to acknowledge that both societies have experienced the antagonism of fate and move forward.

If my desire to have a United Cyprus and United People's then let that be my crime.

This is all pink roses humanist the problem is how do we get there, no one has been able to solve this question, maybe its unsolvable have you ever thought about that? Maybe these two communities do not want to live together, this is another possibility which everyone should be asking themselves, a forced marriage will never work.

[Klik]

First of all, I'm 18, and this shouldn't matter to you... It's me that's going to live in Cyprus in the future, not you. You have made your point clear, you love turkey...

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/origin.htm

Don't put this Turk on exile for saying the truth! They are rare and you should keep them in your country...

Quote1: The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 2000 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks.

Quote2: Turks have a long background dating back to the 3rd millennia BC, when they lived as nomads in the great Chinese steppes and on the Mongolian highlands. But first historical written references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 200 BC, when Turks liberated themselves from the Chinese autonomy and moved towards west to establish their own Empires and States mainly within the intersection of 3 continents; Asia, Europe and Africa


It's from the site I mentioned, a TURKISH source.

[Klik]

He is young and does not know how to be two faced he says what he really means not like you who hides behind a facade of deceit and lies.

Maybe I just want to say the truth... That's why I'm here. I'm not running for a place in the parliament or try to "sell face" to you. I base my ideas on historical facts, which people tend to neglect. Truth hurts the bad guys. So, we know who doesn't like true facts, and we can see who the bad guys are in this case...

[Pyrpolizer]

Klik is a reflection of what many GCs really feel, a product of your own system, GCs only expose their real face, when under pressure by the reality before them. He is young and does not know how to be two faced he says what he really means not like you who hides behind a facade of deceit and lies. This is not only dangerous for us but also yourselves as you saw and experienced in 1974, you have to be honest with yourself first and then try to show the same sincerity and truthfulness to others, this you obviously cannot do.

You got used to the habit of writting tons of concentrated nonsense.
Klik is a 3rd of your age but at least he uses logic. What he misses is the right information that will enable him quite easily (contrary to you) reach the right conclussions.

Klik my dear,

Your whole argumentation is based on the fact that the majority of the people in Cyprus speak, and have spoken Greek all over the centuries. The reason is because Greek is a dominant language and the Greek civilisation was superior to other civilisations in the past. Nothing more nothing less than that.

Be careful from wolves like Viewpoint who will not miss a chance to use your sayings to excuse their continuing grabbing of lands and properties they ‘ve stolen from us.

[Klik]

Pyrpolizer, what you said about my opinion is partly correct

But, Cyprus was ever since the Myceanean "invasion" a Greek island. Most of today's Cyprus originate from Myceaneans.

Other lands like Egypt, Anatolia, Mesopotamia etc to be more general, have had a strong Greek culture in their Alexander the Great days and Anatolia even more, but you don't see that Greek culture anymore unless it's on pictures or statues!

Anyone doubts that Crete or the Ionian islands were and are Greek? They were not part of Greek mainland(unions between Sparta-Athens-Macedonia-Thesally-Epirus-Euboea etc...) for a long while, and have only lately joined the country called Greece. They are Greeks though, pure Greeks.
Similarly in Cyprus, we have kept the Greek element, but we are not Greeks! That's one of the points I've been trying to make, but the Turks here don't like the idea of reality, and them being called what they are, Turks! None has responded on what I said about their origins, which shows how hyprocritical and ignorant they are. Turks worship Genghis Khan, who tried to murder them! If this was a trial at a court, I'd just rest my case on them!
Turks always had a tension to hate everyone and have been very expansionist over the Ottoman empire. That was until Kemal came, who made them hate just the Greeks!

The term "Greek" Cypriots is totally wrong, and so is the other. If you have checked maybe some other posts I made this is very clear. In Cyprus we have Cypriots and Turks. Cyprus is a multicultural race, consisting mostly of people with Greek origins as well. Cypriots with Turkish origins are really rare, as most are simply Turks living in Cyprus. Truth does not sound well to these Turks and even to some "communist" Cypriots.

As you said, I may lack some information, but most of my facts are correct. I don't need British/Turkish/Greek propaganda to tell me how to think... I know what my IQ is, and I'm pretty sure that that number is more than twice the IQ a lot of people in here have...

(Intelligence sometimes includes understanding what the other says. When you see the whole post, and understand it, then argue with me. Don't single out a bad word or a bad sentence from a whole story)