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[mehmet]

Look Klik,

You speak Greek because your parents taught you, you obviously learnt English somehow also. I'm not calling you names I'm stating that you are a Cypriot (one who speaks Greek due to historical factors) who like the Austrailians and Americans have something in common with the Greeks on the mainland. I think you'll also find that the Greek you speak also has influences from the Ottoman period but that's a topic for another post, in fact I've participated in such posts previously. Just chill out and accept that you don't own the island and it's not your's to sell.

[Klik]

Of course I don't own the island. The Republic of Cyprus does

And the Cypriot dialect we use has more Homeric words than mainland Greek, showing that the Greek language in Cyprus hasn't changed as much as "proper" Greek, because we were cut off from Greeks throughout our history, but we still speak Greek.

You know that I'm correct on this one, but you are either too stupid/ignorant or hypocritical to show it. You even said: "You speak Greek because your parents taught you"... Who taught them? I speak my home's language, which is Greek and so do my parents, and their parents and their parents.....

[zan]

Of course I don't own the island. The Republic of Cyprus does

And the Cypriot dialect we use has more Homeric words than mainland Greek, showing that the Greek language in Cyprus hasn't changed as much as "proper" Greek, because we were cut off from Greeks throughout our history, but we still speak Greek.

You know that I'm correct on this one, but you are either too stupid/ignorant or hypocritical to show it. You even said: "You speak Greek because your parents taught you"... Who taught them? I speak my home's language, which is Greek and so do my parents, and their parents and their parents.....

I have tried to keep out of this one because there have been enough people that have told you you have been and are talking a lot of old rubbish but still you persist. Going on your logic the land must go to those that came first. I will leave it to you and your conscience to find the first inhabitants of Cyprus and give it back to them. I will look forward to you moving out and finding a place on this planet that will accept you.


In other words who gives a damn about how long people have been talking Greek for on Cyprus. The point is that we have been there for a long while and have become as Cypriot as any that wish to call themselves that. As another poster has, with tongue in cheek, posted the only real Cypriots are the donkeys and more recently the Cypriot mouse...I wonder if they speak Greek. Your 3000 years is a pimple on the backside of time and your rantings are not even visible. You have obviously convinced your self that you have worked it all out but I am afraid you need to go back to the drawing board and rethink what you are saying. What you really need to do is have a look over the boarder and realise that 37% of our island is controlled by the TRNC and will be for some time to come unless an agreement is reached and all your machinations of history will not make a blind bit of difference. If you are unable to face the music of reality and of the here and now then dream on in the little world that you have built for yourself but it will never be taken seriously by a single TC and from what I have read so far on this forum, by a single GC. BUT I suppose you have to realise your foolishness first before any of us can be part of your re-education and introduction into the real world. I hope your brain does not self-destruct before then..........

[Kartal_Aetos]

Cyprus has a tradition of Greek langauge for over 3000 years. Cyprus had its own language before any Turk was alive on this planet. It was lost and Greek replaced it, in the BCs. Now we are in the 3rd millenium, and still speak the same language, despite all of us being children of various civilizations We are not Greek, we feel connected to Greece because of language. Get that in your head, and then go check the bloody thing coz it's leaking.....

so 3000 years ago there were no turks? lol...u fool! do some history lessons...turks may not have been called turks but they were still there...what do u think genghis khan was?

so you are not greek, u feel connected to greece...how does that make cyprus a greek island?

you said it yourself, you are not greek...

[Kifeas]

Hehehe…

I want to ask any of the Turkish Cypriots here that so fervently disagree with Klik's ideas, to tell me what difference there is between the views of Klik -who basically says that the Cypriots are only the Greek Cypriots since they were the indigenous inhabitants of this country since time and memorial, and that the Turkish Cypriots are not Cypriots but Turks that came in this country as outsiders and as a result of the recent occupation of Cyprus by the ottoman Turks; and the view and official core position of the kemalist state and the TC leadership -who both relentlessly claim in one breath that in Cyprus there is no one single people but instead two separate ones (the Greeks and the Turks,) each one of them having its own separate self-determination right to rule itself alone and separately from the other, and any solution should be based on this so-called “reality” of “two equal nation /states and two equal peoples" confederal partnership.

What is the difference between Klik's and your leadership's claims? I say none! If the above official core Turkish position and dogma is valid and legitimate, then Klik’s views are equally valid and legitimate, by the same yardstick. In other words, if there are two separate peoples in Cyprus, as your leadership and your “motherland” claim, then we are the Cypriots and you are the Turks. We are the indigenous people of Cyprus (the Cypriots) that adopted Greek culture and language since the ancient times and later on adopted Christianity; and you are another people, the Turks, that came here comparatively recently as outside invaders and occupiers from another country and land. Choose what you like. Are you with Klik’s and the official Turkish Propaganda’s “idea” that there are two separate peoples in Cyprus; or are you with the view of the majority of the Greek Cypriots who cliam and accept that in Cyprus there is only one people, the Cypriots, constituted by more than one cultural or “ethnic” groups (communities?)

Enough with your hypocrisy! Enough! Make up your mind and let us know!

[bg_turk]

We are the indigenous people of Cyprus (the Cypriots) that adopted Greek culture and language since the ancient times and later on adopted Christianity; and you are another people, the Turks, that came here comparatively recently as outside invaders and occupiers from another country and land.

I agree with the above. Clearly, you are the indigenous people of Cyprus like the Indians are the indigenous people of America and the Aborigines the indigenous pople of Australia.

The TRNC may be well advised to take the model of these countries and build a few reserves in the North for indigenous Cypriots to live and preserve their culture in. Which area do you think would be most suitable? I'm thinking Karpaz.

[Kifeas]

We are the indigenous people of Cyprus (the Cypriots) that adopted Greek culture and language since the ancient times and later on adopted Christianity; and you are another people, the Turks, that came here comparatively recently as outside invaders and occupiers from another country and land.

I agree with the above. Clearly, you are the indigenous people of Cyprus like the Indians are the indigenous people of America and the Aborigines the indigenous pople of Australia.

The TRNC may be well advised to take the model of these countries and build a few reserves in the North for indigenous Cypriots to live and preserve their culture in. Which area do you think would be most suitable? I'm thinking Karpaz.

Bulgarian_Turk ...SIKTIR, in other words ...FUCK OFF!!!

[mehmet]

Klik,

You stil miss the point, which is that you are a Cypriot and that there is more than one language spoken by people who are Cypriot's. Your megali idea nonsense is leading you up a blind alley.

Kifeas,

There are two ethnic groups in one island but Kemalist foreign policy was defined as peace at home peace abroad. There don't have to be two states but if people keep insisting on promoting the Cyprus is Greek bullshit then there are going to be counter arguements by nationalists within Turkish and Turkish Cypriot society. What I am for is one states where there is mutual respect, from Klik there is none and as long as he is seen to be representative of a significant proportion of his community's views most of Turhish speaking Cypriot's will be hapy to leave him in his Greek-only paradise.

[Kifeas]

Klik,

You stil miss the point, which is that you are a Cypriot and that there is more than one language spoken by people who are Cypriot's. Your megali idea nonsense is leading you up a blind alley.

Kifeas,

There are two ethnic groups in one island but Kemalist foreign policy was defined as peace at home peace abroad. There don't have to be two states but if people keep insisting on promoting the Cyprus is Greek bullshit then there are going to be counter arguements by nationalists within Turkish and Turkish Cypriot society. What I am for is one states where there is mutual respect, from Klik there is none and as long as he is seen to be representative of a significant proportion of his community's views most of Turhish speaking Cypriot's will be hapy to leave him in his Greek-only paradise.

Mehmet, the above "peace at home peace abroad" is not the foreign policy of the Kemalist state, but one of many of Mustafa Kemal's slogans. Here are a few more of his slogans, "how happy to say I am a Turk" and "one Turk equals the whole word!" They are all slogans ...nothing to do with facts or reality!

As for the possibility of counter arguments by nationalists within Turkish and Turkish Cypriot society, as a reflection of klik's ideas, no my friend, these are the standard traditional views and thesis of the official TC and Turkish policy in relation to Cyprus, since 1974! Klik's views are only the views of a small minority, and they do not constitute the official approach of any one single GC political party.

[miltiades]

Mehmet , you my friend is so right , the Klics of Cyprus are , fortunately in the minority. Cyprus is not only Cypriot but destined to remain an Island consisting of Cypriots for generations to come. Australia , Canada , New Zealand are all English speaking and English influenced in many respects , but just as they are a national entity so are we , the Cypriots.