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[-mikkie2-]

Are we being taken for a ride again?

The Anglo American plans seem to point to presenting the Annan Plan as is to the Greek Cypriots before October 3rd.

Do they not have any ounce of respect for what the people voted for in April?

I see another rushed and botched attempt to twist our arms again and sign up to a plan that will lead us to another disaster. Will these people ever learn?

This time we must stand firm and demand that fundamental and necessary changes be made to this plan to make it workable and acceptable to all. I do not want to see the same thing that heppened in New York happen again.

This time we have the tools to ensure that we get a fair attempt to solving our problem.

[erolz]

This time we have the tools to ensure that we get a fair attempt to solving our problem.

What tools would these be then?

How many times do you think that the RoC alone can reject or refuse a settlement that everone else thinks is acceptable before the repercussions of doing this become worse that the proposed settlement or even the current status quo?

[Piratis]

I've heard Katsourides of AKEL saying today that the Annan plan should be re-negotiated but this time we will not accept for Annan to "fill in the gabs".

The Annan plan will come to a referendum again only if an agreed solution between our leaders is found.

Since Papadopoulos will never agree if the plan is not changed significantly, I don't worry for another failed referendum.

[-mikkie2-]

Erol,

You have to understand that the onus is again on Turkey to ensure that a solution to the problem is arrived at before October 2005.

The tool is the de facto recognition of the RoC. This is now an inevitability that cannot be ignored any longer by Turkey.

Can Turkey afford to see the Annan Plan 'as is' to be forced down the throats of the GC's? Well, the answer is probably not. It will clearly mean another no.

Unless there is a radical change of stance by Turkey, then she will be faced with the same problems in the run up to October. The pressure is on Turkey for a solution, not on the RoC!

[erolz]

Unless there is a radical change of stance by Turkey, then she will be faced with the same problems in the run up to October. The pressure is on Turkey for a solution, not on the RoC!

The pressure is on everyone for a solution. Turkey wants and needs a solution. The EU wants and needs a solution. The UN also 'wants' a solution. If there is widespread agreement and a perception that the only thing stopping such a solution is GC intransigence, then this will undoubtedly lead to consequences for the RoC that she will not like.

[insan]

Unless there is a radical change of stance by Turkey, then she will be faced with the same problems in the run up to October. The pressure is on Turkey for a solution, not on the RoC!

I think the pressure will be on both, mikkie. First of all the improvement demands of Greek side will be evaluated, then the response of Turkey... If the third parties decide on that the demands of Greek side are feasible, rational and justifiable; they may presurrize Turkey to accept the changes but if the impovement demands of Greek side aren't feasible, rational and justifiable or the Greek side can't make the third parties to believe that their demands are feasible, rational and justifiable; then the pressure will be on Greek side...

[brother]

Look guys sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the E.U is fed up already of hearing the word 'cyprus' and believe me when i say there WILL be another referandum and tassos will accept it, this was a game he took a gamble on that the 'oxi' vote would help him achieve more in the E.U but it has not panned out, he gambled and lost but the annan plan is already risen out of the grave and even though there will be changes it will not be anything major to hurt either side and as i have said before god help the ones that blow it out this time.

[-mikkie2-]

Turkey has so far been pushing for maximalist demands reagrding Cyprus. Turkey has not shown any reconcilatory actions towards the GC's.

Brother, I really do think that you are wrong in your analysis. The EU is fed up with the way Turkey conducts her foreign policy! There will be pressure on the GC's undoubtably, but the ultimate resposiblity and the side that should yield is Turkey, because a solution to the Cyprus Problem cannot compromise the integrity of EU laws and regulations, which is what the Annan plan does.

The time for that to happen has now passed. Turkey lost her chance in Copenhagen in 2002 to effect a solution on her terms. Now that Cyprus is an EU member it is Turkey that has to compromise from now on.

[brother]

Hi Mikkie, our opinions do vary but it will not be long before we see where the E.U stands with all this.

But it will definately be an interesting period in the never ending saga of cyprus.

[turkcyp]

I have voted "Yes" for Annan plan, but I do not think I would have vote for the same exact plan "Yes" if the referendum was to be held today.

There are a sentiment in the TC society that we were deceived by our GC counterparty about their intentions for the solution. So there is a growing distrust to GCs in the TC community. This makes people to swallow the Annan Plan even harder.

Furthermore, if the Annan Plan is changed drastically on certain issues to make it more appealing to GC side without quid pro quo, then I believe there is a decent chance of it being rejected in the north.

But we will wait and see how this new year of 2005 will unfold. But I am still firm on my belief that Cyprus problem can only be solved simultaneously with Turkeys entry to EU, not before not after, which in the best case scenario at least 10 years ahead.

Have a great day everybody,