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[brother]

Hence my statements above, how long can the gc and turkey throw us about to get what they want, when do we have a say about what we need and require.

[-mikkie2-]

Exactly brother.

Do you not see that it is Turkey that talks on your behalf?

I have been saying this for so long - its about time the TC's woke up. They actually hold the key to the solution!

[brother]

That key is firmly hidden from us, we tried to accept the annan plan to get away from turkey but apparently that was part of the greater schemes of things to come, as we speak the TRNC has given thousands of settlers citizenship and only akinci and a few other small time people were against it, do not get me wrong but the average tc barely can get by never less take the risk of going against the turkish elite.

[-mikkie2-]

The trouble is, half the TC's have been paid off by Denktas and are doing very well and the other half are too scared to go against the Turks as they are outnumbered by them. Its a tough situation for TC's as a whole I think.

It will require bold moves for this to change, both on the side of the RoC and by the TC's that want genuine unification and raprochment.

[brother]

Only the gc have the freedom to stretch out that hand and pull its tc brothers to safety.

[Bananiot]

Absolutely brother. Time is running against us, no doubt. Regarding the issue we are discussing here, I find that we are over-simplifying things. The government spokesman said just now that Cyprus will not facilitate Turkey, implying that either Turkey signs or Europe yok. This is merely for internal propaganda purposes.

Things are not that simple. The expansion of the customs union to the ten new members is governed by the so called "Ankara agreement". This agreement needs to be adjusted to the new facts given the recent enlargment. The text agreed after the Brussels summit is quite complicated and it could be translated in various ways. The text says that Turkey has the obligation to sign but only after the "Ankara agreement" has been modified. If the changes are not agreed by October 3 then Turkey will say "look it is not my fault, let the talks start in the meantime".

If and when the protocol is signed, Papadopoulos will claim that it constitutes a de facto recognition of the RoC. At the same time, Erdogan will claim that it constitutes a de facto recognition of the existence of two states. This stems from the fact that the aquis communitaire recognises that the RoC exercises control only over the south of Cyprus.

So my friends, do not expect easy victories. And beleive me, in the case of an impass, Turkey will come out on top. It has to do with sheer size. This is how the real world works.

[insan]

Insan,

You are wrong!

Turkey cannot continue to have a non-conciliatory attitude towards Cypryus. Turkey is on the defensive and sooner or later she will have to change stance. The EU leaders left the summit with a bitter taste in the mouth. They are finally beginning to realise what it means to 'negotiate' with the Turks!

Throught all this process, the TC's are being continuously compromised. How long can the TC's put up with this?

We'll see who is right or who is wrong, in less than a year time, Mr.(Prophet of the Atomic Age) -Mikkie2- . Lately on every thread you post a message, I see you starting with "No you are wrong..." and continue with your absolute "truths" rather prophecies...

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

You seem to have your absolute truths as well which you don't seem to like when people question.

However, you cannot really deny that so far the doom and gloom merchants have been WRONG!

I have tried to keep a consistent view on this forum. I have taken stick for what I think but I don't really mind that. Its an open forum and everyone can express their opinions.

As you say, time will tell.

[brother]

It will be more like "time will yell"

[erolz]

Turkey cannot continue to have a non-conciliatory attitude towards Cypryus.

Turkey showed it's commitment to a settlement of the Cyprus issue by the way it behaved re the Annan plan vote (basicaly it did all that it could to encourage a yes vote from the TRNC)

Turkey is on the defensive and sooner or later she will have to change stance. The EU leaders left the summit with a bitter taste in the mouth. They are finally beginning to realise what it means to 'negotiate' with the Turks!

As opposed to learning what it's like to trust GC promises?

Throught all this process, the TC's are being continuously compromised. How long can the TC's put up with this?

And our option is?