me and Birkibrisli have agreed that the ultimate goal for a solution should be:
Birkibrisli wrote:Can we all agree that the final solution for Cyprus is one united, independent, democratic state where ethnic origins do not matter at all, and where everybody respects each others differences, and equal opportunity reigns supreme?
Viewpoint later on supposedly agreed with this as the ultimate aim.
Then we went on to see if we can take things one step at a time, so gradually we would reach our ultimate aim. The plan was to make an initial solution that would ease the concerns that each side had as a first step.
TCs of this forum have expressed the following as their concerns that need to be satisfied in a plan: Their physical security and a system that will not allow GCs to “dominate” them.
Viewpoint said that the following were needed to satisfy the TC concerns:
Viewpoint wrote:3 issues paramount to TCs are 1Security 2North State and 3Political Balance
While there are many more ways to satisfy the concerns of a minority, in the spirit of Bir I accepted the demands of Viewpoint, since for all other alternative ways Viewpoint would see “hidden motives” from our part.
Later on Viewpoint added the issue of the settlers as well, asking for many of them to stay in Cyprus due to humane reasons.
So I accepted that the concerns of TCs can be solved in the way that Viewpoint wanted it.
I have an opinion on many other ways to end their concerns, but since Viewpoint would see “hidden motives” of “Greek domination” I didn’t even bother to write them.
I also said that TCs can keep the number of settlers that they demand, as long as those settlers are located within the northern state and their welfare is paid exclusively by TCs.
So basically I accepted all the demands of Viewpoint. And remember that since the only thing legal that exists in Cyprus today is the 1960 agreements, TCs have no right to demand for those things. Accepting them would be huge compromise from our part.
Now that we are done with the TC concerns and solved them in the way that VP wanted it, we can move to the GC concerns.
To partially ease some of the GC concerns, and to increase the chance that the demands of Viewpoint will be acceptable by other GCs, I asked for ONE thing:
That the two states that TCs demand to be created under a BBF system to have a fair land distribution of 18% for TCs and 82% for GCs, which is the same as the population distribution.
I explained why if we were going to accept all the other demands of TCs, the land distribution issue was paramount for us:
Piratis wrote:1) 18%-82% is the most fair. If, as you say the % doesn't matter, would you accept 5% for the north state? You wouldn't. In the same way I do not accept 29%.
2) Your dreams have always been for partition. You told us many times how Serbia-Montenegro had the right to take "divorce" etc. You see such agreement as a stepping stone for partition and that is why you want the more land possible. Otherwise, if according to Bir one day we will have just one unitary state, why would it matter so much to you to take such an disproportionably big piece? Viewpoint, you can swear at me and say whatever you want, but deep down I know you know I am not stupid.
3) In the same way that you site security reasons and you don't want to live in a GC administered state, many of our refugees feel the same. Much more will return if they can do so under GC administration.
Therefore not only this distribution is obviously fair, not only it would ease some of the GC fears, but it would convince the GCs to make the compromises demanded by Viewpoint.
The response from Viewpoint on this:
Viewpoint wrote:Where in the world do you distribute the land mass according to population size size?. This notion is ridiculous. then all nations should reduce their size according to the sale of land to foreign nationals.
Aparently Viewpoint sees this distribution not as a step to the ultimate goal of one united Cyprus (as he supposedly earlier agreed), but as a stepping stone of creating his separate "nation". The security and all other concerns of TCs could be satisfied, even as VP wants it, with the 18% of land as well. But VP and his similar not only want partition, but they want to gain on our loss as much as possible.
They use their concerns as an excuse to take, take, take from our legal, human and democratic rights, but when it comes to our concerns they are not willing to give up even part of something that is not legally theirs to begin with!
My conclusion:
Even if we accept the 99% of their demands that would solve the 100% of their justified and unjustified concerns, in the exact way that they want it, making huge compromises from our legal rights, they will still not make that 1% compromise to satisfy at least some of our concerns.
We are not asking from them to sacrifice or compromise their human, democratic or legal rights as they demand from us. What we are asking is to give back a bigger portion of what they illegally occupy, so a solution can be found.
Therefore the conclusion is again the same as always. TCs (the majority?) and Turkey, continue to have as a sole aim the partition of Cyprus.
For them the “solution” of the Cyprus problem should be as close to partition as possible, and should give them the means to make it so unworkable and dysfunctional that when it will eventually collapse they will end up with a big part of our country as their own separate country, finally achieving their aim.
For them “solution plans” are just stepping stones for their final aim: partiton.
Unfortunately for them they can not fool us like that. So what they will get instead is many more years of facing the consequences of their illegal actions, until finally Republic of Cyprus will be liberated from the illegal occupation.
If meanwhile they realize that their attempts to gain on our loss to that degree with never work they can come back to talk. If they do that now they can have the 99% of what they demanded. Otherwise their greediness will prove very costly to them in the end.
