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[zan]

lol its the druggie again.. You still hallucinating??

Love it when he turns up.

If I were to choose an halucination it would not include people like you and I would be living a lie in utopia. The truth is that you are here and haunting though it is I am willing to face the truth.

When you can achieve the same zen like attitude and not delude your self that you are going to get things your own way and that we exist then you to can enjoy the realities of today. Nice of you to come to aid of Piratis but I am afraid most people have cottoned on to his extremes and have switched off. Long may he rest in peace.

[DT.]

Zan go play somewhere, the grownups are trying to talk.

[humanist]

I reckon we should all sit down smoke lotsa pot and eat turksih delights and shoushouko all night long!

[DT.]

Sounds like a normal day over at humanists pad.

[zan]

Zan go play somewhere, the grownups are trying to talk.

Nice intelligent reply. Got any more show stoppers?????????

[Viewpoint]

so what exactly have you conceeded in this entire negotiation VP? Or is that negotiating turkish style?

I seriously need you to tell me what you've compromised on here.

Turkish troops out
Settlers return
Land
Self determination
Safety risk
Becoming refugees for a 3rd time come to mind.

[Piratis]

This very under hand and reflects why we are always looking for hidden agendas in everythign you put forward, as you have just reduced the area down to 18% (as you always wanted) and thus reduced the number of potential GCs wishing to live in the north state at the same time. Lets stay at 37% and determine how many GC (vice versa) wish to return or keep their properties in the north, then we can reduce the size of the north state accordingly.

????

Anyways, thanks for proving my point again. You want your own separate state AND you want it be a lot more than what proportionately belongs to you on our loss.

Enjoy the consequences of your illegalities in Cyprus for as long as you can keep them. Be sure that your crimes against us will not go unpunished. Forget about EU and enjoy your 3rd world future.

There is nothing more to add. My conclusions, which are now confirmed, can be seen in my initial post in this tread.

[Viewpoint]

This very under hand and reflects why we are always looking for hidden agendas in everythign you put forward, as you have just reduced the area down to 18% (as you always wanted) and thus reduced the number of potential GCs wishing to live in the north state at the same time. Lets stay at 37% and determine how many GC (vice versa) wish to return or keep their properties in the north, then we can reduce the size of the north state accordingly.

????

Anyways, thanks for proving my point again. You want your own separate state AND you want it be a lot more than what proportionately belongs to you on our loss.

Enjoy the consequences of your illegalities in Cyprus for as long as you can keep them. Be sure that your crimes against us will not go unpunished. Forget about EU and enjoy your 3rd world future.

There is nothing more to add. My conclusions, which are now confirmed, can be seen in my initial post in this tread.

Where did I say that? don't forget everyone will be living in a united Cyprus with the same rights, only difference will be the administration one TC and one GC. Piratis you are really showing yourself for what you really are, you want TCs to live in a unitary state under GC rule yet you are unable to comprehend the reverse, this tells me you are noway ready or want a solution via BBF. You seem to think I am asking for another country, if that were the case I would accept 18%.

[Piratis]

Where did I say that? don't forget everyone will be living in a united Cyprus with the same rights, only difference will be the administration one TC and one GC. Piratis you are really showing yourself for what you really are, you want TCs to live in a unitary state under GC rule yet you are unable to comprehend the reverse, this tells me you are noway ready or want a solution via BBF. You seem to think I am asking for another country, if that were the case I would accept 18%.

Didn't I just said that I would accept everything that you demand, even if you have no right to demand most things, and all I am asking is a FAIR land distribution that will ease many of the GC concerns?

I accept that you can have a separate 18% state and then you say I insist on a unitary state under GC rule. (??????????) Are you feeling OK? Are you imagining what I say instead of reading what I say?

Apparently you have no logical way of explaining your demand for 29% and your refusal to accept that 18%-82% that would ease some of the GC concerns. What you only know is how to demand, demand, demand, and expect everybody not only to care about your justified and unjustified concerns, but also to address them in the exact way that you want them to be addressed. And even if we do ALL that, you are still unwilling to do anything in return.

You want the 100% of what you demand and you don't give a shit about anybody else, while on the contrary I have shown the will to accept all of your demands, except for the unfair land distribution, and you are not even willing to do that!!!

[Viewpoint]

Has usual you are blowing things out of all portion, what have you accepted so far?

1. That settlers be treated humanely and to EU norms, even this was contested and if you read back on the posts you do not actual state this, if can you show everyone your post accepting this as I could not find it, if then I apologise.

2. The second point was I think as I am not to sure you accept BBF so Bir asked me to return land which we did to 29% allowing for GC to return to the north state.

Then proceeded by going off like a spoilt child when bir said

I don't like bargains either,Piratis.But we don't have an alternative.Remember that the ultimate aim is to get to a unified democratic Cyprus.To do that we have to make compromises. I know that 18-82 % is fair and sensible to you.But not to VP obviously.So the choice is to stick in the hole that we are all in,or to do what is realistic and possible to move one step forward. This is the hard part,Piratis.
Dig deep into your heart,and keep the ultimate aim in your mind.
Why can't you live with 26-74 % for a specified period,just to take the negotiations one step forward?

you left me and Birkıbrisli in the lurch and started this thread with all the above objections and rhetoric, you really need to get a grip, what you promote for me you have problems dealing with yourself. If we are to have exactly the same principle that you have been promoting for god knows how long of democracy and human rights for all Cypriots administered in the north and south states then whats your problem?

Birkıbrısli where are you?