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[zan]

The future of children is the crimes and illegalities that you support?

Sing as many petitions and fly crappy flags as much as you want. The facts will not change: You had no right to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots from their homeland, you have no right to violate the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and as long as you insist on these crimes and illegalities, you and your children will face the consequences, until the illegalities end and everybody can get their human, legal and democratic rights back.

You by supporting the criminal "trnc" you convict all Cypriots, including TCs, since your hope that you can gain on the loss of GCs will never materialize and you will always be the biggest losers in the end.

Be sure to log that on the site Piratis they should get the GC view as well.

[Viewpoint]

The future of children is the crimes and illegalities that you support?

Sing as many petitions and fly crappy flags as much as you want. The facts will not change: You had no right to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots from their homeland, you have no right to violate the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and as long as you insist on these crimes and illegalities, you and your children will face the consequences, until the illegalities end and everybody can get their human, legal and democratic rights back.

You by supporting the criminal "trnc" you convict all Cypriots, including TCs, since your hope that you can gain on the loss of GCs will never materialize and you will always be the biggest losers in the end.

What difference does the above statement make? what do you achieve? ill tell you absolutely nothing. You and your administration should put more effort into finding a solution, shock the world and us and start sincerely working towards solving the reasons why you feel you are hard done by and not just making out you want democracy and human rights for all.

[Piratis]

You and your administration should put more effort into finding a solution

We are. The only way a solution can be found is if the Turkish troops are forced to move out of our country. It is obvious they will not do so voluntarily and they accept nothing short from partition because currently they have the power to impose by force this illegality. However what goes around comes around, and we will be prepared to take back our land and liberate our country when the right time comes, even if this right time is in 10 years or 100.

Meanwhile you can face the consequences , which would make you the biggest losers due to your insistence on illegalities, even if your hope is to gain on our loss.

[Viewpoint]

You and your administration should put more effort into finding a solution

We are. The only way a solution can be found is if the Turkish troops are forced to move out of our country. It is obvious they will not do so voluntarily and they accept nothing short from partition because currently they have the power to impose by force this illegality. However what goes around comes around, and we will be prepared to take back our land and liberate our country when the right time comes, even if this right time is in 10 years or 100.

Meanwhile you can face the consequences , which would make you the biggest losers due to your insistence on illegalities, even if your hope is to gain on our loss.

Are you a parrot as you seem to repeating yourself over and over again.

If the Turkish Army was gone what would you do? you have this mental block that if they were gone everything would be better, better for whom? the GCs to force their will on the TC community maybe???

[Piratis]

An end to the illegal occupation would be better for all except from those that gain, or hope that they can gain, on the loss of other Cypriots by forcing crimes and illegalities.

So an end to the illegalities will obviously be better for the vast majority of Cypriots.

You are not one of them since you hope you can gain on the loss of others in illegal ways, and this is why you are here to promote your illegalities.

[Viewpoint]

An end to the illegal occupation would be better for all except from those that gain, or hope that they can gain, on the loss of other Cypriots by forcing crimes and illegalities.

So an end to the illegalities will obviously be better for the vast majority of Cypriots.

You are not one of them since you hope you can gain on the loss of others in illegal ways, and this is why you are here to promote your illegalities.

You are not answering the question, what will you gain, an undefended TC community? your own GC national guard for to bring about legalities? a GC administration to force there legal will on the TC community? havoc of 200.000 GC running back to claim their homes and kick the evil TCs/ Settlers out? You would drag this island into mayhem if the Turkish Army left, they are the only effective deterrent to stop you from enforcing your will on the TC community. Why don't you just accept they are no longer here as they will disappear with a comprehensive solution, isn't that what you want? aren't all the other components of a solution entwined without solving one you cannot have the other, the sooner you realize this the better it will be for everyone concerned.

[Piratis]

What we will gain??? What a stupid question is that? We will gain back what belongs to us. We will gain what every nation gains when it is liberated from foreign occupation. Our land, our rights, our country.

Or maybe the Russians, the French, etc should not have fought to push the Nazis out of their countries?

As far as the TCs go, they will either have to accept legality, or face the concequences, just like every other Cypriot citizen. There are laws, you can't just do whatever you feel like. If you do, then don't cry when you face the concequences.

If there are any internal issues to be dealt due to the situation the occupation has created, these issues will be dealt in the way Republic of Cyprus decides is best for the country and its citizens. You, like every other Cypriot citizen, will have a say about this via democratic procedures, but not by illegally forcing your will against the sovereignty of our country and the human rights of the majority of the citizens.

[Viewpoint]

What we will gain??? What a stupid question is that? We will gain back what belongs to us. We will gain what every nation gains when it is liberated from foreign occupation. Our land, our rights, our country.

Or maybe the Russians, the French, etc should not have fought to push the Nazis out of their countries?

As far as the TCs go, they will either have to accept legality, or face the concequences, just like every other Cypriot citizen. There are laws, you can't just do whatever you feel like. If you do, then don't cry when you face the concequences.

If there are any internal issues to be dealt due to the situation the occupation has created, these issues will be dealt in the way Republic of Cyprus decides is best for the country and its citizens. You, like every other Cypriot citizen, will have a say about this via democratic procedures, but not by illegally forcing your will against the sovereignty of our country and the human rights of the majority of the citizens.

So according to your warped mentality and in the unlikely event of the Turkish Army pulling without securing agreement on the other components of a solution you would expose us to the "legalities" in other words mercy of the "RoC" and its GC leaders to administer what they feel is legal and fair. Well boy-yo it ain't gonna happen so you better build up those means by which you intend to obtain the swing of power in your favor as we are not mugs enough to fall into your stupid trap.

The Troops leaving are part and parcel of the overall solution just as Marash and settlers so why don't you just take it for granted that the Turkish Army will leave and agree the other components of a plan because without the Turkish army you will surely cause yet again inter-communal conflict. In other words some things never change, the packaging maybe different but the content remains the same.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, there is nothing to talk with you. The 1960 agreements which define what legal is for Cyprus is something we have all accepted and signed. I am not trying to force on you Enosis or anything else, but you are trying to force on us your dream of partition.

The 1960 agreements for RoC is not the ideal for me, it is the compromise, that you should also finally accepted.

For as long as you force illegalities you will face consequences, until you will not be able to force illegalities anymore and legality will be restored. There is nothing more to talk about.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, there is nothing to talk with you. The 1960 agreements which define what legal is for Cyprus is something we have all accepted and signed. I am not trying to force on you Enosis or anything else, but you are trying to force on us your dream of partition.

The 1960 agreements for RoC is not the ideal for me, it is the compromise, that you should also finally accepted.

For as long as you force illegalities you will face consequences, until you will not be able to force illegalities anymore and legality will be restored. There is nothing more to talk about.

Need I remind you that the 1960 constitution did not work you were the ones who intended reneging on them they day you signed them. You are even against them today, you have said this on many occasions how long will it take for you to seek and implement Akritas number 2 to have the constitution amended to suit your aims. We have come to far to go back, 1974 changed everything and there needs to be a new agreed structure to ensure that we do not make the mistakes of the past and both communities know exactly where they stand. This is also your opportunity to negotiate something better than the 1960 agreements which you and even your leader are so much against.

Until a time we can find such resolve you can continue to work for your swing in power while I work for what I feel is right under the circumstances and in direct response to your actions.