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Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:14 pm

Piratis, the only way for Turkey to get rid of the military's meddling in politics is EU Entry, or at least a clear path to it. That's why it should be supported unless, of course, we consider partition a solution and not a disaster, as Birkibrisli said. I believe the Cypriot government is not mature enough to understand this and ease its stance against Turkey, I hope Greece will help change their minds
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Postby cypezokyli » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:23 pm

the army is too deep rooted in the turkish politics, society and history , that i would say better strike a deal with the army rather than wait till they fall. bc that prospect seems unlikely.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:25 pm

Since most TCs agree with the Turkish army, why do you think a Turkish PM would not?

What motive would Turkey have to solve the Cyprus problem if they don't suffer any major consequences from their insistence on illegalities?
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Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:29 pm

Piratis wrote:Since most TCs agree with the Turkish army, why do you think a Turkish PM would not?

What motive would Turkey have to solve the Cyprus problem if they don't suffer any major consequences from their insistence on illegalities?


Suffering consequences caused by Cyprus would only harden the public's opinion.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:32 pm

alexISS wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since most TCs agree with the Turkish army, why do you think a Turkish PM would not?

What motive would Turkey have to solve the Cyprus problem if they don't suffer any major consequences from their insistence on illegalities?


Suffering consequences caused by Cyprus would only harden the public's opinion.


I am afraid alexISS is right.
For Cyprus Republic to put obstacles in Turkey's way is akin to cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on.
There are countries in the EU that oppose Turkey's entry,but choose to hide behind Cyprus,and let Cyprus do their work for them.I predict that unless there is a solution Cyprus will be the last hurdle for Turkey to jump.If I were the ROC I'd speed up Turkey's accession talks to finish all the other topics as soon as possible.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:33 pm

And what will we loose from that? As if now they are soft and they are about to end their occupation.

The occupation will stay there until the balance of power will change. Nothing else will move the Turks out. So until that time comes do we want Turks to enjoy their lives as if nothing is happening in Cyprus, get richer and buy more weapons, or to suffer the worst concequences possible?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:44 pm

Piratis wrote:And what will we loose from that? As if now they are soft and they are about to end their occupation.

The occupation will stay there until the balance of power will change. Nothing else will move the Turks out. So until that time comes do we want Turks to enjoy their lives as if nothing is happening in Cyprus, get richer and buy more weapons, or to suffer the worst concequences possible?


These the words of a man who claims to promote, democracy and human rights for all. :lol: Ill let you decide.
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:48 pm

Alexiss does have a point...EU entry for Turkey would mean the ease of military power within Turkish politics...It is often debated in Turkey if this is AKP's main objective...afterall, many members of AKP were members of other parties that were broken down by the army due to their political stance on religion...
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Postby alexISS » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:17 pm

Piratis wrote:And what will we loose from that? As if now they are soft and they are about to end their occupation.

Not losing does not equal to winning, although Cyprus WILL lose if Turkey is blocked from the EU. There is absolutely positively no way Turkey will join the EU without recognizing one of its members. One way or another, a Cypriot government must be recognized by Turkey at some point, Cyprus does not need to veto Turkey for this, it's inevitable!


Piratis wrote:The occupation will stay there until the balance of power will change. Nothing else will move the Turks out. So until that time comes do we want Turks to enjoy their lives as if nothing is happening in Cyprus, get richer and buy more weapons, or to suffer the worst concequences possible?

Unfortunately the occupation will stay there until a solution is found and Turkey willingly withdraws her troops from the island. I'm not sure what you mean by the "balance of power". If you are talking about military power, be sure that Turkey would rather see her people starve to death than reduce military expences. If you are talking politicaly, that change in balance of power will most probably come from an agreed solution to the Cyprus problem anyway
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