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[humanist]

VP that is a valid point ... it is a matter of fact that shame = social control. I studed that in my sociology degree..... having said this it is a simplified answer to a complicated topic of discussion.

Hey that would be novel if we all dropped the politics and spoke about phylosophy, sociology, anthropology and spirituality. I know I might as well get a gun and shoot myself.

[Strahd]

Can you answer the following;

Were these people warned not to go into that area?

Did they not see the mobs there awaiting to attack them?

Were they total innocents?

What the hell was he doing up the flag poll?

Did all hell break loose with everyone after blood?

If you are warned time and time again yet you still jump into the fire then you know you will get burnt.. and burnt badly.

So if I come and warn you not to approach me because i will kill you does that justify me killing you?????

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE EXCUSING THE BARBARIC ACTS OF YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!

The whole GC population condemned the acts of the ES, what have you done? Excusing them because you warned me.

[humanist]

I am getting confused at what UNIFIED actually means? Perhaps I am a moron who spent 6 years at uni but I thought it actually meant "to make or become one". Sorry at this point I find it difficult to then discuss land mass and population density if we are aiming at becoming one. Anything that is suggested on this forum indicates to a division. Perhaps I ought to stand in Ledra and someone can take a shot ... either side will do.

[Viewpoint]

I would like to know if all Cypriot Refugee properties in the north are currently occupied and or used?

If not what is the percentage?

The buildings are all occupied but land wise the TRNC government still has control over the majority with a vast amount of exchanged land in the south.

[humanist]

Thanks VP

[Viewpoint]

Can you answer the following;

Were these people warned not to go into that area?

Did they not see the mobs there awaiting to attack them?

Were they total innocents?

What the hell was he doing up the flag poll?

Did all hell break loose with everyone after blood?

If you are warned time and time again yet you still jump into the fire then you know you will get burnt.. and burnt badly.

So if I come and warn you not to approach me because i will kill you does that justify me killing you?????

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE EXCUSING THE BARBARIC ACTS OF YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!

The whole GC population condemned the acts of the ES, what have you done? Excusing them because you warned me.

I would run a mile....and save my life.

I agree the whole incident was barbaric and the TCs people did condemn the incident, we should all be ashamed, I wish it had never happened but standing there when you are warned that you are in danger is not very wise whe you have the opportunity to run like me.

[humanist]

People if we put half the effort into peace making discussions and acts we would have solved the Cyprus Problem years ago. Can we all think of a positive things about each other as we head off to bed tonite? Cheers

[Strahd]

The buildings are all occupied but land wise the TRNC government still has control over the majority with a vast amount of exchanged land in the south.

Land exchange requires both parties to agree. Point me to that agreement VP and I will believe. What happened was unilateral military action that forced Greeks to leave their properties under gunpoint and in addition Turks were instructed from Turkey and their puppet community leaders to leave their properties in the south.

[Strahd]

People if we put half the effort into peace making discussions and acts we would have solved the Cyprus Problem years ago. Can we all think of a positive things about each other as we head off to bed tonite? Cheers

Humanist people have died and sacrificed all they had so that you today can have the freedom to be free and express yourself. I prefer a just and democratic world for my children than a peaceful apartheid.

[BirKibrisli]

Birk, thank you for sharing your story and I am really sorry that at the age of 12 you had to have the experience that you did. I am particularly sorry that Greek Speaking Cypriots treated you and your family and other Turkish Cypriots the way that they did. I was not even conceived in 1963 but I am sorry for that you had endured.

I live in Sydney and I shop at the local Turkish owned fruit market at times and get my gorgeous yummy Turkish Pide at the local Turkish owned joint, with extra parsley. Lovely wonderful people.

Guys we are essentially at war with each other so these deaths and beatings are inevitable ........ however they can pave the way to a brighter future so that there are no more Solomous, Kypros Ioannou Petsa (my uncle) no more students @ the English school beaten up .... I am sorry as a Greek Speaking Cypriot for that stupid idiotic attack. Not excusing the Turksih Cypriot student for spitting at someone for wearing a cross but it appears to be nothing less than a racist attack and I thank ful the authorities picked up the coward.

Thank you ,dear Humanist,for your kind words.
If everyone in this world was as sensitive and sensible as you are this world would be a true heaven.
The most upsetting thing for me is watching my parents generation,my generation,and my children's generation,being wasted in needless human pain and suffering.We are now raising the 4th generation to hate each other. We don't seem to learn. As you say,if we spend a fraction of our energy on promoting peace and harmony between less than one million people on a little island in the sun,that would be the best present we can give our children.It is very simple really.Without understanding ,trust and respect,there is no hope of ever achieving unification. Yet we seem to be hell bent of increasing the tension and the illfeelings and the mistrust,and the abuse of each other. I am beginning to think that Cypriots have deep seated selfloathing or sadomasocistic tendencies. We just love playing the victim. I think we have spend far too long being ruled by one imperialist or another,we have become like caged rats who turn on each other...