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[cypezokyli]

My kind of Cypriot nationalism is inclusive,sensitive and intelligent,while Greek and Turkish nationalism tend to be exclusive,senseless and chauvinistic...

No, no, Greek and Turkish nationalism is inclusive as well ... as long as you are ready to be assimilated.

besides bir, is quite flexible on his nationalism.
it is a matter of fact that if cypriot nationalism fails, we are going to promote the paphian nationalism. and i already promised to voluntarily assimilate

[BirKibrisli]

My kind of Cypriot nationalism is inclusive,sensitive and intelligent,while Greek and Turkish nationalism tend to be exclusive,senseless and chauvinistic...

No, no, Greek and Turkish nationalism is inclusive as well ... as long as you are ready to be assimilated.

besides bir, is quite flexible on his nationalism.
it is a matter of fact that if cypriot nationalism fails, we are going to promote the paphian nationalism. and i already promised to voluntarily assimilate

Now you are talking,Cypez...Long Live The Paphian Republic of West Cyprus...Viva President Alexios Paphos for Paphians and everybody else who speak Paphian and make Paphian Hellim/Halloumi...

[Bananiot]

Here is Loucas's Charalampous views on this issue:

Who are the moral instigators?
By Loucas Charalambous

THE young thugs who molested Turkish Cypriot pupils on Wednesday were the least responsible for their actions. Behind this heinous behaviour lie the true guilty, the moral instigators, who must be sought out from within our political establishment. It is they who created and who maintain the climate of antagonism, hostility and hatred toward Turkish Cypriots, aimed at serving their political goals, namely, their grip on power. And the preservation and consolidation of partition is a basic prerequisite of that goal. The young hoodlums were incubated inside this climate of hostility toward the Turkish Cypriot community, a climate created by the government and its satellites.

Some rushed to portray this as an isolated incident. Yet over the past couple of years dozens of similar incidents have happened against Turkish Cypriots visiting the south. Most have not seen the light of day because our police keep a lid on them. But the phenomenon is growing by the day. For example, there have been many cases of organised gangs of hooligans slashing the tyres of cars belonging to Turkish Cypriots. Almost none of these cases have been solved to date. There have been other instances of assault and damages caused to Turkish Cypriot vehicles. At the traffic lights near the Hilton hotel, there have taken place several such incidents before or after football matches, the “heroes” being so-called football fans. And in another act of hatred a few months ago in Lefkara, a restaurant owner refused to serve a company of Turkish Cypriots who had gone there for lunch.

All these are examples of a climate of hostility, which is fostered by the official state. Whenever Turkish Cypriots are arrested at the checkpoints and harassed, the message conveyed is precisely this: hostility and hatred to the other side. When a government minister declares that he will have arrested at the checkpoints all Turkish Cypriots living in Greek Cypriot-owned houses, is this not a message to juvenile delinquents that they are more or less carrying out a national mission by beating up on Turkish Cypriots? When newspapers and politicians scream their lungs out because tomatoes made in Turkey have turned up in our markets, it is this same hostile climate that is being cultivated. And it is these same hypocrites who daily call for a normalisation of relations with Turkey! Worse, statements by government officials and several politicians serve to fuel the flames of hostility. For instance, look at the language and tone of government spokesman Christodoulos Pashardis when he refers to the Turkish Cypriot leadership. It is a language and tone dating back to the 1960s. Look at the abusive epithets hurled on Turkish Cypriot leaders by the radio station of the Zeus media group every time they mention their names. Is it a coincidence that the Zeus group are the main backers of President Papadopoulos?

Of course, the responsibilities of AKEL’s leadership are far grimmer. When, four years ago, Demetris Christofias and the rest of AKEL’s elite resurrected the Yiorkadjis movement and brought it to power, no doubt they knew what they were doing. They were aware that the people in whose hands they placed Cyprus’ fate were the same people who brought about the bloody inter-communal clashes of 1963, which led to the well-known disastrous consequences. They knew that they were handing power to the people whose background is closely linked to armed conflict with the Turkish Cypriot community. Therefore, they also knew that these people in whose hands they placed our fate would seek to preserve partition and separation, which are entwined with their political survival.

So rather than hypocritically asking parents to “put some sense” into their children, it would be better for Christofias to apologise for the woes he has wrought upon us. Even at this late hour, Christofias should try to put a stop to this paranoid downward spiral, which he himself has brought about.

[DT.]

Sorce: Cyprus problem in 150 questions
Part one

WHEN DID THE OTTOMANS’ CONQUERE CYPRUS?

The Ottomans conquered the island in order to protect the Greek Orthodox people of the island from the oppression of Catholic Venetians as well as protecting the commercial vessels using the Mediterranean waterways from marauding pirates who were using the foreshores of Cyprus as their anchorage base.

The Ottomans ruled the island actually for 3o7, and legally 352 years.

During this period, Cyprus enjoyed a freedom which never in the history experienced before. Ottomans re-opened the worshipping places which were closed by the Catholics and reinstated the Greek Orthodox people’s religious freedom. The Archbishop was given the right to politically represent and lounge complaints on behalf of the Greek population to the Sultanate Palace. By doing this the political position of the Archbishop was strengthened. Secondly, churches were restored and maintained.

The Greek population paid their dues to the Ottomans by sending arms, weapons and money to Greece and actually participating in the 1821 revolt, and masterminding the murders against the Turkish population of the island.

The economical and social condition of the Greeks were improved, by the virtue of the tolerance they were granted, they gradually took the control of the economy and trade and became richer and richer every day.

During the Ottomans the administrative structure was reorganized and the Island was divided into 17 districts which administered by a KADI (Judge).

A divan (council of state) was formed. Along with the Greek population the Armenians and Maronites were represented in the council and thus the Greek Cypriots were given the opportunity first time to be involved in the administration of the island.

The Ottomans helped the Greek Cypriots to improve their education, and accepted the taxes to be collected by their church representatives and granted them a kind of autonomy.

By building Irrigation facilities, Han’s (inn’s), Libraries, Mosques, Fountains, Ottomans helped restoring and improving the condition of the island.

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GREEK CYPRIOTS

Source: 150 Soruda Kibris Sorunu

The first Settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia. Cyprus never in the history has become under the Greek rule, and there has been no migration in big numbers from Greece to the island either.

In that case why the Greek Cypriots are considering themselves Helens?

Cyprus is natural extension of Anatolia. The island was connected to Hatay region during first quarter of the Geological period and subsequent quarters, mainly due to many subsidence effects, the island became separated from the mainland Anatolia. The findings of dwarf elephant fossils in the island, is a clear proof of this. The archeological vases and dwellings discovered in the island, has distinct resemblances with those found in Anatolia. As a result of these findings, without any doubts, the first settlers of the island came from Anatolia.

Apart than these solid proofs, throughout the history the island had been under the rule of Hittites, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Ptalemouses, Romans, Arabs, Byzantines, Templar Knights, Genoese, Venetians, Ottomans and British. The foreshores of the island often became an anchorage base for the marauding pirates.

People arrived from Anatolia, after mixing with the members of these invading national tribes a hybrid people was originated in the island. In time this hybrid people, became under the cultural influence of seafarer tribe of Mikens. As it is known the Helens consider the Mikens, part of the Hellenic race.

After the island became under the rule of Roman Empire, St. Paul arrived in Cyprus A.D 46 and spread the Christianity. During the Byzantine era the official language spoken was Helen language and religion was Orthodoxy, therefore this hybrid people of Cyprus in time saw themselves as Helens.

This hybrid people had identity crises and began searching for national and cultural identity therefore gladly they accepted the Christianity and Hellenic identity.

The end result is that the first settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia.

This people in time mixed with the invading nationalities and hybridized. And during the Byzantium era they start seeing themselves as Greek

Zan says: Cyprus was never ruled by the greeks
1) The Byzantine empire ruled cyprus for 800 years. Open a book when you get the chance and find out what the byzantine empire was.
Zan says: The first settlers where from anatolia
1) The first settlers where from the Achaeans and Asia Minor, however the biggest settlement began in 1200 BC from the Myceanean Greeks who became the largest group on the island
2) Anatolia matey was Asia Minor in them days. Your tribes hadn't come down from Mongolia yet. It was made up of hellenic kingdoms. (go to www.allaboutturkey.com/anatolia.htm) a good turkish site.

I'd write more but i have a life and though i do not agree with everythig klik says I'd just like to correct Zan's hallucinations.

[Piratis]

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GREEK CYPRIOTS

Source: 150 Soruda Kibris Sorunu

Greek Cypriots formed the island's largest ethnic community, nearly 80 percent of the island's population. They were the descendants of Achaean Greeks who settled on the island during the second half of the second millennium B.C. The island gradually became part of the Hellenic world...

Source: Library of Congress, USA

[zan]

Sorce: Cyprus problem in 150 questions
Part one

WHEN DID THE OTTOMANS’ CONQUERE CYPRUS?

The Ottomans conquered the island in order to protect the Greek Orthodox people of the island from the oppression of Catholic Venetians as well as protecting the commercial vessels using the Mediterranean waterways from marauding pirates who were using the foreshores of Cyprus as their anchorage base.

The Ottomans ruled the island actually for 3o7, and legally 352 years.

During this period, Cyprus enjoyed a freedom which never in the history experienced before. Ottomans re-opened the worshipping places which were closed by the Catholics and reinstated the Greek Orthodox people’s religious freedom. The Archbishop was given the right to politically represent and lounge complaints on behalf of the Greek population to the Sultanate Palace. By doing this the political position of the Archbishop was strengthened. Secondly, churches were restored and maintained.

The Greek population paid their dues to the Ottomans by sending arms, weapons and money to Greece and actually participating in the 1821 revolt, and masterminding the murders against the Turkish population of the island.

The economical and social condition of the Greeks were improved, by the virtue of the tolerance they were granted, they gradually took the control of the economy and trade and became richer and richer every day.

During the Ottomans the administrative structure was reorganized and the Island was divided into 17 districts which administered by a KADI (Judge).

A divan (council of state) was formed. Along with the Greek population the Armenians and Maronites were represented in the council and thus the Greek Cypriots were given the opportunity first time to be involved in the administration of the island.

The Ottomans helped the Greek Cypriots to improve their education, and accepted the taxes to be collected by their church representatives and granted them a kind of autonomy.

By building Irrigation facilities, Han’s (inn’s), Libraries, Mosques, Fountains, Ottomans helped restoring and improving the condition of the island.

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GREEK CYPRIOTS

Source: 150 Soruda Kibris Sorunu

The first Settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia. Cyprus never in the history has become under the Greek rule, and there has been no migration in big numbers from Greece to the island either.

In that case why the Greek Cypriots are considering themselves Helens?

Cyprus is natural extension of Anatolia. The island was connected to Hatay region during first quarter of the Geological period and subsequent quarters, mainly due to many subsidence effects, the island became separated from the mainland Anatolia. The findings of dwarf elephant fossils in the island, is a clear proof of this. The archeological vases and dwellings discovered in the island, has distinct resemblances with those found in Anatolia. As a result of these findings, without any doubts, the first settlers of the island came from Anatolia.

Apart than these solid proofs, throughout the history the island had been under the rule of Hittites, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Ptalemouses, Romans, Arabs, Byzantines, Templar Knights, Genoese, Venetians, Ottomans and British. The foreshores of the island often became an anchorage base for the marauding pirates.

People arrived from Anatolia, after mixing with the members of these invading national tribes a hybrid people was originated in the island. In time this hybrid people, became under the cultural influence of seafarer tribe of Mikens. As it is known the Helens consider the Mikens, part of the Hellenic race.

After the island became under the rule of Roman Empire, St. Paul arrived in Cyprus A.D 46 and spread the Christianity. During the Byzantine era the official language spoken was Helen language and religion was Orthodoxy, therefore this hybrid people of Cyprus in time saw themselves as Helens.

This hybrid people had identity crises and began searching for national and cultural identity therefore gladly they accepted the Christianity and Hellenic identity.

The end result is that the first settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia.

This people in time mixed with the invading nationalities and hybridized. And during the Byzantium era they start seeing themselves as Greek

Zan says: Cyprus was never ruled by the greeks
1) The Byzantine empire ruled cyprus for 800 years. Open a book when you get the chance and find out what the byzantine empire was.
Zan says: The first settlers where from anatolia
1) The first settlers where from the Achaeans and Asia Minor, however the biggest settlement began in 1200 BC from the Myceanean Greeks who became the largest group on the island
2) Anatolia matey was Asia Minor in them days. Your tribes hadn't come down from Mongolia yet. It was made up of hellenic kingdoms. (go to www.allaboutturkey.com/anatolia.htm) a good turkish site.

I'd write more but i have a life and though i do not agree with everythig klik says I'd just like to correct Zan's hallucinations.

And if you open your eyes you will see that it is a quote that I put up for discussion. OH! I forgot that the Greeks have got the gift simular to Midas, everything they touch turns to Greek........Hahahahahah

[DT.]

well then i apologise for the characterisation. ANyway, your quote went up, we rebutted with facts and trusted sources. ANything else you wish to discuss on this matter?

[rawk]

Only in Cyprus could a discussion about an assaut on school children become a historical analysis into the history of the island!

Thats the past sorted then, I'm sure those kids who got a whacking have got a real glow now its all been explained, trauma eh? Forget it, it was the Anatolians or Ottomans. Oh stop crying and go to bed.

Any ideas about the future or does are perception have like the Italian tank of legend, 6 reverse gears and 1 forward?

Rawk

[Viewpoint]

Does anyone know what happened to the attackers??? if anything or were they let off due to daddys wealth and influence?

[DT.]

VP, you've already asked this question txice and you got answered Its obvious you're just tryin to fuel the fire with anything you can get your hands on....