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[BirKibrisli]

Chill out,you guys...Lets stop this childish snipping at each other.
All Cypriots have been big losers in this bloody conflict.Some of us even had to leave our beloved country and live in exile.And some of us live in exile in our own country. Mostly because we failed to get over our two artificial differences,language and religion. One day,long in the future,if the world survives the great human follies of "liberal economy" and "capitalism" associated with senseless consumption,and when science has proved that God does not exist,hence all organised religions are irrevelant nonsense,and when all humanity speak the same language (English probably),our decendants will be cursing us for our stupidity and immaturity...

[Piratis]

I agree with you Birkibrisli. The only think I disagree is about our descendants. Humans can create more and better technology, but they will always be stupid. History repeats itself with more modern weapons and tactics. Some things will never change.

[zan]

Chill out,you guys...Lets stop this childish snipping at each other.
All Cypriots have been big losers in this bloody conflict.Some of us even had to leave our beloved country and live in exile.And some of us live in exile in our own country. Mostly because we failed to get over our two artificial differences,language and religion. One day,long in the future,if the world survives the great human follies of "liberal economy" and "capitalism" associated with senseless consumption,and when science has proved that God does not exist,hence all organised religions are irrevelant nonsense,and when all humanity speak the same language (English probably),our decendants will be cursing us for our stupidity and immaturity...

At the very least Bir they can use us as an example as to how much they have progressed. We can afford the apes that luxury why not them us. You are right in what you say and we are no where near ready to assume that status. It was only yesterday, in relative terms, that we climbed down out of the trees. We can see where we came from and we have the ability to see a possible future even if our ape like hands and minds cannot grasp it.

[reportfromcyprus]

The police released the kid they arrested without charges.

http://www.reportfromcyprus.com/GC%20at ... udents.htm

What do you think?

[reportfromcyprus]

Chill out,you guys...Lets stop this childish snipping at each other.
All Cypriots have been big losers in this bloody conflict.Some of us even had to leave our beloved country and live in exile.And some of us live in exile in our own country. Mostly because we failed to get over our two artificial differences,language and religion. One day,long in the future,if the world survives the great human follies of "liberal economy" and "capitalism" associated with senseless consumption,and when science has proved that God does not exist,hence all organised religions are irrevelant nonsense,and when all humanity speak the same language (English probably),our decendants will be cursing us for our stupidity and immaturity...

I agree with your advice to chill out Let's not ignore the 'clever' people who profit from provoking wars and strengthening barriers between peoples...governments, armies and arms dealers. Billions of dollars can't be wrong; just like flies. And we're the suckers that put them in power It's quite funny when you think about it.

No, I'm not an anarchist; just a member of the media - lol

[Swashbuckler]

First of all, I attend the school, and I know the person that got injured, I saw his bruise 1 minute after it happened, so I don't think that I'm a non-suitable person to talk about this. Secondly, I know who was wearing the cross, and the entire story from first hand.

So, the Turkish student spat on the Cypriot's shoe because of the cross.

20-25 hooded people came and started beating up people. At least 10 got hit, 5 Turks and 5 Cypriots. One of the Turks, is the one "seriously" injured, who had just a big bruise on his head, but has recovered over night!!! They saw him at school the next day, with no scars, no bruises etc. He had rejected medical care from any Cypriot hospital. (there was no need anyway)

P.S: We were already discussing this on the youth thread since it begun.

(MY EMPHASIS)

Firstly, Klik, thank you for your informative post.

However, you have inadvertantly confirmed what many turkish-CYPRIOTS already suspected - that greek-CYPRIOTS are taught from a young age not to regard us TCs as Cypriot at all...but rather as "Turks".

Having waded through all the dross and lies on this forum I find this honest post to be the most revealing and depressing of all.

To wit the youth of one Cypriot segment does not regard another part as the same.

Truly we have no hope.

It constitutes an ultimate insult on our intelligence and an ultimate act of hypocrisy on the part of the side whose leadership, it's political world and it's entire propaganda machinery have all turned it into a most basic dogma of their political ambitions “that in Cyprus there is no Cypriot nation but only two separate people, the Greeks and the Turks,” to now complain, protest and criticise the opinion and views of a mere single GC individual that expresses similar ideas like them.

Buckler, you are clueless! What you criticise from what Klik has said, is not the official position of the GC side, but only the one of the Turkish Cypriot community and your “motherland!” Know what you are talking about! Do not be sorry about what one GC youngster says. Be sorry about the official positions of your community and your leadership instead, because they are not different from those of Klik!

Who's side Kifeas? My side is the CYPRIOT side - the side that Klik excluded me from.

Your second para is typical GC spin. What I commented on was what a GREEK-CYPRIOT ACTUALLY POSTED. That he is a youngster is all the more damning because he has imbibed this view at the teat.

Dont try your EOKA/Makarios spin on us Kifeas you retard. Klik said it here in this forum. He damns you as the segregated bigots Denktas always said you were.

[Klik]

Firstly, Cyprus= Republic of Cyprus, these days. So don't call yourselves Cypriots if you do not accept that...
If you only want to refer to the island, refer to it as Cyprum, the most used name for it throughout the centuries...

You are either a Turk or a Cypriot. A combination of both indicates mental issues

Your existence is due to the Ottoman Empire. Never before the 16th century had a Turk stepped foot on Cyprus. And your parents have been the soldiers that killed all those Cypriots, Venetians and all other races that have been mixed with the Cypriot blood. That is you. That's the historical truth.

Anyone calling himself a Cypriot, speaks Greek(or spoke Latin as well during the Medieval). Phoenicians, Persians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Hellenes(Greeks), Romans, Venetians, Francs etc have passed on by generations in Cyprus. You don't see them forming minorities. You don't see them using their original language. Why is that? Because they were/are eligible settlers of Cyprus. All these years, they have spoken in Greek, and have been mixed. These are today's Cypriots.
You, on the other hand, are Turks, some of which have Cypriot blood, and some of which have spoken Greek in the past. The Greek-speakers in Cyprus are the ones called Cypriots.

All Armenian immigrants in Cyprus speak Greek first, and then Armenian(if they decide to learn the Armenian language)
Egyptian, Russian, Lebanese, Romanian, Bulgarian, Serbian immigrants through the 20th century tried and achieved to learn Greek, to become part of the Cyprus population. Those people have every right to be called citizens of Cyprus.

You on the other hand, tried over 500 years to impose the Turkish "culture"(there's none...) and mentalities and have managed to do that to some. You tried to make the island Muslim, by keeping the Catholic Church away(by allowing Orthodox, which was very weak). You still try to impose a new state after an INVASION in 1974. You are the scums in Cyprus, that want to rule Cyprus... You are the poison of Cyprus...

Some say that what happened in 1960's was a big deal. Hm... What about it. 500 years under the Ottoman Empire, living under the Turks for so many years, being mistreated and slaughtered at times, the Cypriot population decided to revolt. That was EOKA(not B). Remove colonialism and make Cyprus for the Cypriots again. Which includes, remove the Turkish pests, and any Turkish element, unless the Turk was to be obidient to the Cypriot rule.

Does that come to comparison with something else we know? What about 1821 in Greece? What happened there? 400 years under the Ottoman Empire, the Greeks revolted. Were there Turks settled in Greece then? Of course. But did they live? Only a few survived is the answer. The Greeks attempted to eliminate the Turkish element, and have succeeding up till Thraki(Thrace). Anyone complains now? No! Justice was prevailed to some extent. The Greeks tried to RE-CONQUER some parts from Bulgarian rule and some from Turkish. They didn't manage to though...

You might say that this is totally irrelevant, but if you have at least 1 point of IQ, you will see the point.

Cyprus delayed to revolt against the rulers. Both Turks and British ruled the place. Cypriots got jealous of Greek modern(19th century) history and wanted to rule themselves and some wanted to join Greece...

So, the Cypriots have failed to follow the 1821 Greek revolution, which resulted to a remaining Turkish population in the island, which now complain about those 10-20 years, neglecting the historical facts and calling anyone against them a racist and a fascist...

Some people these days, want to accomplish EOKA's target, which means, there's a possibility for an EOKA C' to come to place. I'm definetly not one of them, if you want to know, and I don't care what you think from what I previously stated. Those were facts, unarguable facts. You can either accept them, or live in ignorance. Our Turkish "friends" decide number 2, and with the help of Turkey and Britain over the years, some Cypriots go with the second...

The status quo is not on our favour these days. Turkey is too close and too strong for the Cypriots to revolt against their army and population here. So, till the status quo changes, and not anymore idiots like Makarios and Annan come to do idiocies with Cypriot land, we'll never get rid of the Turks. The balance will change, and justice will prevail in Cyprus, like it happened 200 years ago in Greece.

Rather late than never, Cypriots say...

[zan]

See you in 200 years time then I suppose.........

[zan]

Sorce: Cyprus problem in 150 questions
Part one

WHEN DID THE OTTOMANS’ CONQUERE CYPRUS?

The Ottomans conquered the island in order to protect the Greek Orthodox people of the island from the oppression of Catholic Venetians as well as protecting the commercial vessels using the Mediterranean waterways from marauding pirates who were using the foreshores of Cyprus as their anchorage base.

The Ottomans ruled the island actually for 3o7, and legally 352 years.

During this period, Cyprus enjoyed a freedom which never in the history experienced before. Ottomans re-opened the worshipping places which were closed by the Catholics and reinstated the Greek Orthodox people’s religious freedom. The Archbishop was given the right to politically represent and lounge complaints on behalf of the Greek population to the Sultanate Palace. By doing this the political position of the Archbishop was strengthened. Secondly, churches were restored and maintained.

The Greek population paid their dues to the Ottomans by sending arms, weapons and money to Greece and actually participating in the 1821 revolt, and masterminding the murders against the Turkish population of the island.

The economical and social condition of the Greeks were improved, by the virtue of the tolerance they were granted, they gradually took the control of the economy and trade and became richer and richer every day.

During the Ottomans the administrative structure was reorganized and the Island was divided into 17 districts which administered by a KADI (Judge).

A divan (council of state) was formed. Along with the Greek population the Armenians and Maronites were represented in the council and thus the Greek Cypriots were given the opportunity first time to be involved in the administration of the island.

The Ottomans helped the Greek Cypriots to improve their education, and accepted the taxes to be collected by their church representatives and granted them a kind of autonomy.

By building Irrigation facilities, Han’s (inn’s), Libraries, Mosques, Fountains, Ottomans helped restoring and improving the condition of the island.

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GREEK CYPRIOTS

Source: 150 Soruda Kibris Sorunu

The first Settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia. Cyprus never in the history has become under the Greek rule, and there has been no migration in big numbers from Greece to the island either.

In that case why the Greek Cypriots are considering themselves Helens?

Cyprus is natural extension of Anatolia. The island was connected to Hatay region during first quarter of the Geological period and subsequent quarters, mainly due to many subsidence effects, the island became separated from the mainland Anatolia. The findings of dwarf elephant fossils in the island, is a clear proof of this. The archeological vases and dwellings discovered in the island, has distinct resemblances with those found in Anatolia. As a result of these findings, without any doubts, the first settlers of the island came from Anatolia.

Apart than these solid proofs, throughout the history the island had been under the rule of Hittites, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Ptalemouses, Romans, Arabs, Byzantines, Templar Knights, Genoese, Venetians, Ottomans and British. The foreshores of the island often became an anchorage base for the marauding pirates.

People arrived from Anatolia, after mixing with the members of these invading national tribes a hybrid people was originated in the island. In time this hybrid people, became under the cultural influence of seafarer tribe of Mikens. As it is known the Helens consider the Mikens, part of the Hellenic race.

After the island became under the rule of Roman Empire, St. Paul arrived in Cyprus A.D 46 and spread the Christianity. During the Byzantine era the official language spoken was Helen language and religion was Orthodoxy, therefore this hybrid people of Cyprus in time saw themselves as Helens.

This hybrid people had identity crises and began searching for national and cultural identity therefore gladly they accepted the Christianity and Hellenic identity.

The end result is that the first settlers of Cyprus arrived from Anatolia.

This people in time mixed with the invading nationalities and hybridized. And during the Byzantium era they start seeing themselves as Greek

[miltiades]

Birk you are so spot on mate ! """" and when science has proved that God does not exist,hence all organised religions are irrevelant nonsense,and when all humanity speak the same language (English probably),our decendants will be cursing us for our stupidity and immaturity... """

And you are also one of us Cypriots which is great.